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"I would feel uncomfortable at a KKK meeting or a gun show. But I could describe the real offensive behavior in those cases." I guess you can't describe the 'r

"I would feel uncomfortable at a KKK meeting or a gun show. But I could describe the real offensive behavior in those cases." I guess you can't describe the 'real offensive' behavior after all.

gregjor 10y ago
You're missing the point. I can describe why I would find a KKK rally or a gun show offensive. That doesn't mean everyone would be offended, or uncomfortable about the same things. My point was about vague claims of "not feeling comfortable" at a conference with no explanation of what caused the discomfort. From what I've read there's no substance: Crockford didn't do anything, a few people made some vague claims about how they felt, not about anything Crockford did. It's one thing for me to say I don't like overt displays of racism and bigotry, or I get nervous around people carrying guns where Nazi "collectibles" are on display. It's another thing for me to try to ban a gun show or prevent people going because I'm uncomfortable with some aspect of it. Some people don't like spiders. I get it, although they don't bother me. But is it my problem to deal with someone's fear of spiders? Of course I wouldn't shove a spider in their face, but am I responsible for their terror if they see a spider in my garage? I am responsible for my feelings and how I react to them. I don't hold gun owners or Klan members responsible for how they make me feel.
- gnarbarian 10y ago
  I got your point perfectly. You and I agree 100% regarding Crockford. As someone who loves guns and owns plenty, I honestly just wanted to know what you found so offensive about gun shows. You stated that you could describe the behavior and I obliged you. "... I get nervous around people carrying guns where Nazi "collectibles" are on display." That is all I wanted to know. Thanks.

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"I would feel uncomfortable at a KKK meeting or a gun show. But I could describe the real offensive behavior in those cases." I guess you can't describe the 'r

by gnarbarian 10y ago

"I would feel uncomfortable at a KKK meeting or a gun show. But I could describe the real offensive behavior in those cases." I guess you can't describe the 'real offensive' behavior after all.

gregjor 10y ago
You're missing the point. I can describe why I would find a KKK rally or a gun show offensive. That doesn't mean everyone would be offended, or uncomfortable about the same things. My point was about vague claims of "not feeling comfortable" at a conference with no explanation of what caused the discomfort. From what I've read there's no substance: Crockford didn't do anything, a few people made some vague claims about how they felt, not about anything Crockford did. It's one thing for me to say I don't like overt displays of racism and bigotry, or I get nervous around people carrying guns where Nazi "collectibles" are on display. It's another thing for me to try to ban a gun show or prevent people going because I'm uncomfortable with some aspect of it. Some people don't like spiders. I get it, although they don't bother me. But is it my problem to deal with someone's fear of spiders? Of course I wouldn't shove a spider in their face, but am I responsible for their terror if they see a spider in my garage? I am responsible for my feelings and how I react to them. I don't hold gun owners or Klan members responsible for how they make me feel.
- gnarbarian 10y ago
  I got your point perfectly. You and I agree 100% regarding Crockford. As someone who loves guns and owns plenty, I honestly just wanted to know what you found so offensive about gun shows. You stated that you could describe the behavior and I obliged you. "... I get nervous around people carrying guns where Nazi "collectibles" are on display." That is all I wanted to know. Thanks.