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You say "some speakers" and "a number of speakers". I read the article by Mx Kas Perch. Is there anyone else? I guess regarding the search for facts/reasons/ex

You say "some speakers" and "a number of speakers". I read the article by Mx Kas Perch. Is there anyone else? I guess regarding the search for facts/reasons/examples - I guess we're interested in trying to form a view as to whether that is an understandable position on the part of these 'other speakers'. No doubt there is a spectrum here. If it is just "person X doesn't like person Y because they hurt X's feelings once" that is quite a different thing to "persons X, Y and Z have been physically threatened by person A and fear for their lives".

chippy 10y ago
> You say "some speakers" and "a number of speakers". I read the article by Mx Kas Perch. Is there anyone else? "Some speakers" was from http://nodevember.org/statement.html http://nodevember.org/statement.html and I used "a number of speakers" as being equivalent to that unknown but small number. I wouldn't say "many speakers" though (British English). I am also curious about the actual number - and also the number of supporters or allies not directly involved. It is quite different actual threats, experiences and imagined thoughts and emotions. And then (passive or active, online and offline) supporters to anothers emotions or experiences. I would argue that all these types of response can be addressed in a positive way. Emotions can be addressed in kind - and perhaps reducing the number of concerns is similar to increasing the level of comfort. For example, I might say "well my friend is concerned that the venue is far away from public transport stops and it's at night" but a good response from the organizers may say "don't worry, we have security on the venue, it's well lighted, there will be good taxi service, we're working with the venue and local police etc". This may well reduce my hypothetical concern, and increase my comfort. I couldn't speak for my friend though - but I'd imagine my, as an ally, reassurance would help.
- mcguire 10y ago
  Blacklists and Other Economic Sanctions: http://www.english.illinois.edu/maps/mccarthy/schrecker5.htm http://www.english.illinois.edu/maps/mccarthy/schrecker5.htm Listen, the behavior at some past conferences and in the industry in general are unprofessional, unacceptable, and egregious. It's at the point that I want to disregard anyone who uses the term "social justice warrior" as an imbecile. Everyone should be as comfortable as possible in this community. Everyone should be welcome. But punishing people based on the words of an unknown person or persons, with no recourse or defense is not better.
mzw_mzw 10y ago
"mx"?
- josephcooney 10y ago
  The gender-neutral honorific, apparently.
  - mzw_mzw 10y ago
    Certainly not one in common use, and more importantly, a signifier often used by political bullies. One would think an "evangelist," whose job is to convince people and not drive them away, would put more thought into such things.

chippy 10y ago

> You say "some speakers" and "a number of speakers". I read the article by Mx Kas Perch. Is there anyone else? "Some speakers" was from http://nodevember.org/statement.html http://nodevember.org/statement.html and I used "a number of speakers" as being equivalent to that unknown but small number. I wouldn't say "many speakers" though (British English). I am also curious about the actual number - and also the number of supporters or allies not directly involved. It is quite different actual threats, experiences and imagined thoughts and emotions. And then (passive or active, online and offline) supporters to anothers emotions or experiences. I would argue that all these types of response can be addressed in a positive way. Emotions can be addressed in kind - and perhaps reducing the number of concerns is similar to increasing the level of comfort. For example, I might say "well my friend is concerned that the venue is far away from public transport stops and it's at night" but a good response from the organizers may say "don't worry, we have security on the venue, it's well lighted, there will be good taxi service, we're working with the venue and local police etc". This may well reduce my hypothetical concern, and increase my comfort. I couldn't speak for my friend though - but I'd imagine my, as an ally, reassurance would help.

mcguire 10y ago
Blacklists and Other Economic Sanctions: http://www.english.illinois.edu/maps/mccarthy/schrecker5.htm http://www.english.illinois.edu/maps/mccarthy/schrecker5.htm Listen, the behavior at some past conferences and in the industry in general are unprofessional, unacceptable, and egregious. It's at the point that I want to disregard anyone who uses the term "social justice warrior" as an imbecile. Everyone should be as comfortable as possible in this community. Everyone should be welcome. But punishing people based on the words of an unknown person or persons, with no recourse or defense is not better.

mzw_mzw 10y ago

"mx"?

josephcooney 10y ago
The gender-neutral honorific, apparently.
- mzw_mzw 10y ago
  Certainly not one in common use, and more importantly, a signifier often used by political bullies. One would think an "evangelist," whose job is to convince people and not drive them away, would put more thought into such things.