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People just need to start standing up to these SJW people. They are literally infesting everything: Colleges, workplaces, open source, everything. They act li

by wayniac 10y ago

People just need to start standing up to these SJW people. They are literally infesting everything: Colleges, workplaces, open source, everything. They act like bullies whenever someone says something they disagree with, even calling for open retaliation across social media because they have no understanding of the real world. What is worse is that more and more people are actually catering to them out of fear instead of standing up and saying "Look, you're an adult. Act like one instead of a kindergartener who missed their nap. People are going to say things you don't like or don't agree with; shut your mouth and learn to live with it". Instead, we get things like this that juts reinforce the SJW belief that they are pure and right and that everyone needs to do what they say. It's really pathetic.

CM30 10y ago
Isn't that what GamerGate was basically about? Well, at least in part anyway. But the issue with standing up to them (however necessary it might be) is that such individuals have a tendency to play the victim a lot and get quite a bit of the media to rally around them every time someone calls them out. It's hard to call out cases like this when the inevitable media coverage will be 'Javascript conference harassed by internet trolls over Douglas Crockford's invite'.
- wayniac 10y ago
  Perhaps but at the same time I think some blame lies on the conferences that try to cater to these folks instead of telling them to grow up and act like adults. You're right though, the SJW crowd loves to play the victim card and cry racism/sexism/oppression whenever someone doesn't cater to them. If the conference had been like no we aren't doing it, the person who complained would have likely blogged/tweeted/etc. about how the conference is sexist and "problematic" because they aren't listening to her (pretty sure it was a woman) and are therefore engaging in rape culture or whatever stupid nonsense these people peddle.
- aikah 10y ago
  > that such individuals have a tendency to play the victim a lot and get quite a bit of the media to rally around them every time someone calls them out Of course, they know how things work, they'll accuse you of racism, sexism, misogyny, transphobia and ruin your career that's what they do.They know they need no proof and let the internet "be judge", that's what dangerous with these people. If you dare call them out your career is finished, they have a real power of nuisance, wrapped in "virtue" with leitmotives such as "inclusivity" and "diversity". Newspeech at its finest. It's just a power grab game, and they are eliminating the competition with politics since their skills are mediocre.
- jpfed 10y ago
  No, Gamergate was about ethics in journalism. That's why it started when Gerstmann was pushed out of GameSpot for his unfavorable review of Kane and Lynch.
  - jpfed 10y ago
    I suppose I should have included an explicit marker of sarcasm...?
  - makomk 10y ago
    Hah. I read some of the very first discussions - before it was even called Gamergate yet - and in some sense it did start when Gerstmann was pushed out of GameSpot. The threads were full of of anger and distrust in the gaming press being stoked by past incidents, including that one. All that changed was that for some reason social justice activists decided to tie their credibility to that of the gaming press.
cel1ne 10y ago
A couple of problems are at play here: 1. Many social theories aren't falsifiable science. Examples for this are Marxism, where every criticism of the theory can be framed as an attempt to keep the "lower class" from "rising up", or certain schools of feminism where every criticism can be seen as "patriarchy" maintaining it's position of "power". These rhetorical fallacies pose traps for people who aren't experienced in scientific reasoning and especially for those who have a predisposition towards paranoid thinking, which seems to be a certain percentage of the population. 2. With the rise of social media came deep changes in public discourse. Suddenly there's an army of public speakers that didn't have a voice before. Social Media took away the "in-between" spare-time, that is crucial for cultivating thoughts and managing emotions. Prior you could leisurely think about problems while waiting for the bus. Now the internet is pushing (often negative) information at you 24/7. And it's demanding immediate response. So there's this giant array of public opinion now, that is much less informed, cultivated and I guess age-wise generally younger than before.

by wayniac 10y ago

CM30 10y ago

Isn't that what GamerGate was basically about? Well, at least in part anyway. But the issue with standing up to them (however necessary it might be) is that such individuals have a tendency to play the victim a lot and get quite a bit of the media to rally around them every time someone calls them out. It's hard to call out cases like this when the inevitable media coverage will be 'Javascript conference harassed by internet trolls over Douglas Crockford's invite'.

wayniac 10y ago
Perhaps but at the same time I think some blame lies on the conferences that try to cater to these folks instead of telling them to grow up and act like adults. You're right though, the SJW crowd loves to play the victim card and cry racism/sexism/oppression whenever someone doesn't cater to them. If the conference had been like no we aren't doing it, the person who complained would have likely blogged/tweeted/etc. about how the conference is sexist and "problematic" because they aren't listening to her (pretty sure it was a woman) and are therefore engaging in rape culture or whatever stupid nonsense these people peddle.
aikah 10y ago
> that such individuals have a tendency to play the victim a lot and get quite a bit of the media to rally around them every time someone calls them out Of course, they know how things work, they'll accuse you of racism, sexism, misogyny, transphobia and ruin your career that's what they do.They know they need no proof and let the internet "be judge", that's what dangerous with these people. If you dare call them out your career is finished, they have a real power of nuisance, wrapped in "virtue" with leitmotives such as "inclusivity" and "diversity". Newspeech at its finest. It's just a power grab game, and they are eliminating the competition with politics since their skills are mediocre.
jpfed 10y ago
No, Gamergate was about ethics in journalism. That's why it started when Gerstmann was pushed out of GameSpot for his unfavorable review of Kane and Lynch.
- jpfed 10y ago
  I suppose I should have included an explicit marker of sarcasm...?
- makomk 10y ago
  Hah. I read some of the very first discussions - before it was even called Gamergate yet - and in some sense it did start when Gerstmann was pushed out of GameSpot. The threads were full of of anger and distrust in the gaming press being stoked by past incidents, including that one. All that changed was that for some reason social justice activists decided to tie their credibility to that of the gaming press.

cel1ne 10y ago

A couple of problems are at play here: 1. Many social theories aren't falsifiable science. Examples for this are Marxism, where every criticism of the theory can be framed as an attempt to keep the "lower class" from "rising up", or certain schools of feminism where every criticism can be seen as "patriarchy" maintaining it's position of "power". These rhetorical fallacies pose traps for people who aren't experienced in scientific reasoning and especially for those who have a predisposition towards paranoid thinking, which seems to be a certain percentage of the population. 2. With the rise of social media came deep changes in public discourse. Suddenly there's an army of public speakers that didn't have a voice before. Social Media took away the "in-between" spare-time, that is crucial for cultivating thoughts and managing emotions. Prior you could leisurely think about problems while waiting for the bus. Now the internet is pushing (often negative) information at you 24/7. And it's demanding immediate response. So there's this giant array of public opinion now, that is much less informed, cultivated and I guess age-wise generally younger than before.