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So you're a respected member of this community, a highly intelligent and rational programmer dude with 16k karma. And you want us to believe you sincerely thin

So you're a respected member of this community, a highly intelligent and rational programmer dude with 16k karma. And you want us to believe you sincerely think calling someone a fag constitutes a "hate crime", even though the term is nebulous enough to be meaningless?

bitwize 10y ago
Try doing it in Canada and see if you don't end up in jail. Hate speech is a crime in many Western democracies outside the USA.
pjc50 10y ago
It's always nice to have one's karma-farming efforts noticed and appreciated. I'm saving up for my trip to Alaska. As a programmer I've made my peace with the nebulousness of terms involving humans. People are made from language, and our core beliefs are abstract nouns. It's a crime like speeding on the highway: only a tiny fraction of the incidents might ever make it to prosecution, but occasionally it gets people killed. So people should bear that in mind and choose not to do it.
- LizardLarry 10y ago
  >People are made from language, and our core beliefs are abstract nouns. People are made of the cybernetics of language, environment, sensual stimuli, calculation, and reflexes. Our core beliefs are mostly evolved strategies and tools for navigating a world that has rapidly changed from that evolutionary environment. With that said, how is a hate crime...a crime? It's ridiculous to expect a tribal OS to abandon its tribal software to such a level that it computes things either as a maximiizing solitary agent or an agent who considers all other agents as equal utlity, despite information suggesting otherwise. That's honestly a ridiculous onus to put on people, especially those we would consider "the majority". The greater danger is giving government another vague blankish check to react to the demands of the idiocy of a society that doesn't look for things to think about but instead for things to feel about. Which is a fucking horrible basis to start trying to formulate laws and regulations. I trust the mendacity of government (and most human hierarchies in general) far more than I trust the ability of civil servants to follow a spirit of the law as opposed to disavowing liability by adopting legalistic attitudes.
- karmachameleon2 10y ago
  > As a programmer I've made my peace with the nebulousness of terms involving humans. But that implies you're fine with my identity as a human being getting nebulified, which constitutes a "snoosnoo crime" and violence against me. Nevermind that a "snoosnoo crime" doesn't mean anything, because it means whatever I want it to mean and that's good enough for me. All that matters with regard to you and your hateful snoosnoo crime is that it's a serious affront to my humanity, and you need to be locked up for committing it. You, Sir, are a hateful, violent criminal! I demand justice!
sctb 10y ago
This kind of implied personal insult is not the kind of thing we need on Hacker News, nor are unsubstantive inflammatory comments, so please stop.

bitwize 10y ago

Try doing it in Canada and see if you don't end up in jail. Hate speech is a crime in many Western democracies outside the USA.

pjc50 10y ago

It's always nice to have one's karma-farming efforts noticed and appreciated. I'm saving up for my trip to Alaska. As a programmer I've made my peace with the nebulousness of terms involving humans. People are made from language, and our core beliefs are abstract nouns. It's a crime like speeding on the highway: only a tiny fraction of the incidents might ever make it to prosecution, but occasionally it gets people killed. So people should bear that in mind and choose not to do it.

LizardLarry 10y ago
>People are made from language, and our core beliefs are abstract nouns. People are made of the cybernetics of language, environment, sensual stimuli, calculation, and reflexes. Our core beliefs are mostly evolved strategies and tools for navigating a world that has rapidly changed from that evolutionary environment. With that said, how is a hate crime...a crime? It's ridiculous to expect a tribal OS to abandon its tribal software to such a level that it computes things either as a maximiizing solitary agent or an agent who considers all other agents as equal utlity, despite information suggesting otherwise. That's honestly a ridiculous onus to put on people, especially those we would consider "the majority". The greater danger is giving government another vague blankish check to react to the demands of the idiocy of a society that doesn't look for things to think about but instead for things to feel about. Which is a fucking horrible basis to start trying to formulate laws and regulations. I trust the mendacity of government (and most human hierarchies in general) far more than I trust the ability of civil servants to follow a spirit of the law as opposed to disavowing liability by adopting legalistic attitudes.
karmachameleon2 10y ago
> As a programmer I've made my peace with the nebulousness of terms involving humans. But that implies you're fine with my identity as a human being getting nebulified, which constitutes a "snoosnoo crime" and violence against me. Nevermind that a "snoosnoo crime" doesn't mean anything, because it means whatever I want it to mean and that's good enough for me. All that matters with regard to you and your hateful snoosnoo crime is that it's a serious affront to my humanity, and you need to be locked up for committing it. You, Sir, are a hateful, violent criminal! I demand justice!

sctb 10y ago

This kind of implied personal insult is not the kind of thing we need on Hacker News, nor are unsubstantive inflammatory comments, so please stop.