I think we both agree completely, that working class people ought to be stable enough to have kids, and that any society in which that isn't the case likely has

I think we both agree completely, that working class people ought to be stable enough to have kids, and that any society in which that isn't the case likely has something wrong. I believe I've already mentioned that it is of my opinion that there is much wrong with our society, and the basis of that belief, stems from this point exactly. Working class citizens ought to be able to raise a family, but far too often in this country, they do not have the resources to do so. That however does not remove personal responsibility from the equation, and it appears this is where you and I differ. I believe that bringing another human being into the world is a decision that should not be made hastily. It's one of the rare decisions in life, where every ounce of forethought and planning should be utilized. That is another HUMAN you are choosing to invoke, so you had best be sure you can care for that human and provide them a great shot at a happy life. Sadly, working for minimum wage as a waitress at Denny's probably isn't going to cut it. Not surprisingly, I'm a strong proponent of things like raising the minimum wage, and universal health care. While I believe in personal responsibility as a fundamental value, I also believe your society should provide safety nets and support systems, to assure that everyone has a shot at raising a family, and being happy.