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> So, indirectly the US put Germany on a the road to become the most powerful country in Europe i'm no geopolitical or history expert (i just like to travel an

> So, indirectly the US put Germany on a the road to become the most powerful country in Europe i'm no geopolitical or history expert (i just like to travel and observe) but i don't think it was indirect at all. germany (and central europe in general) has shown that unless it is powerful, rich and well-integrated with the rest of the world, it will lead to very, very bad things. if you've ever been to germany and talked with normal people, they are absolutely convinced that their way is the best. this is something to be harnessed and directed, not rejected. the post-war plan was to ensure that happened, on our terms. the soviets nearly fucked it all up, but thankfully we won that war also. we drive around in german cars, the whole of europe borrows their money, we eat their food, drink their beer, buy their overpriced coffee grinders and other assorted bauhaus-influenced home goods, and that makes everybody happy. we're all nice and fat and contented with our shiny and delicious german stuff and stuff financed by german cash, and they don't feel the need to forcibly take over the world to shove it down our throats (or worse). it's a fantastic arrangement that's worked out swimmingly so far. fwiw, the refugee crisis and mass immigration from the middle east into this region concerns me. p.s. the same goes for japan too, except their border policy is basically completely racist (even though in my experience japanese people are extremely friendly and open-minded -- it's a very strange and unique dichotomy) so they'll just invent robots to do the work that the non-existant immigrants would have done. german industrial robots are no slouch but so far the domestic/service situation is still handled by people, as far as i can tell. in japan they're trying to automate away all that inconvenient people-to-people stuff.

mturmon 10y ago
From wiki: While Secretary General [of NATO], Ismay is also credited as having been the first person to say that the purpose of the alliance was "to keep the Russians out, the Americans in, and the Germans down," a saying that has since become a common way to quickly describe the alliance.
throwaway991188 10y ago
> p.s. the same goes for japan too, except their border policy is basically completely racist (even though in my experience japanese people are extremely friendly and open-minded -- it's a very strange and unique dichotomy) Why is it racist to have control of your own borders and have a system in place for who comes and goes and is allowed to migrate into the country? Why must we have a race to the bottom in requirements for letting in people? I am from Japan. I completely agree with my countries decision as far as immigration is concerned. Perhaps China is racist as well, as they adopt similar "RACIST" policies? One thing I will say about Japan vs The West as far as immigration is concerned. We won't have ticking time-bombs in 20-25 years time, when the 2nd generation immigrants are in their twenties, low income and radicalized and commit terrorist acts against the country they came to or born in. Myself, my family, my friends and my co-workers, petition the government stricter controls to immigration. If you want to say its Racist. Great, go live elsewhere!

mturmon 10y ago

From wiki: While Secretary General [of NATO], Ismay is also credited as having been the first person to say that the purpose of the alliance was "to keep the Russians out, the Americans in, and the Germans down," a saying that has since become a common way to quickly describe the alliance.

throwaway991188 10y ago

> p.s. the same goes for japan too, except their border policy is basically completely racist (even though in my experience japanese people are extremely friendly and open-minded -- it's a very strange and unique dichotomy) Why is it racist to have control of your own borders and have a system in place for who comes and goes and is allowed to migrate into the country? Why must we have a race to the bottom in requirements for letting in people? I am from Japan. I completely agree with my countries decision as far as immigration is concerned. Perhaps China is racist as well, as they adopt similar "RACIST" policies? One thing I will say about Japan vs The West as far as immigration is concerned. We won't have ticking time-bombs in 20-25 years time, when the 2nd generation immigrants are in their twenties, low income and radicalized and commit terrorist acts against the country they came to or born in. Myself, my family, my friends and my co-workers, petition the government stricter controls to immigration. If you want to say its Racist. Great, go live elsewhere!