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so... why do we need them in a democracy? for everyone else who won't follow the rules, we have prison.... and dont try to tell me that a few terrorist attacks
by cryoshon 10y ago
so... why do we need them in a democracy? for everyone else who won't follow the rules, we have prison.... and dont try to tell me that a few terrorist attacks are sufficient cause to allow them to run wild over the public.
- pjmlp 10y agoBecause regular police needs to follow rules that criminals by definition do not. As such they need a group able to work without scruples outside what the public think as acceptable, so that certain criminals that would never by caught playing by the book, do get caught. Also no government is going to publically tell the others what is their official agenda. Again, you need the sort of people able to do the right set of questions. Yes I am harsh, but real life is harsh. Not all of us get to live in movie sets were the good guys always win at the end.
- cryoshon 10y ago>so that certain criminals that would never by caught playing by the book, do get caught. we never get any evidence of this happening, so i'm going to say "citation needed". we also don't get any oversight regarding who they decide are criminals. >Not all of us get to live in movie sets were the good guys always win at the end. starting from the assumption that the intelligence agencies are the good guys is very much from a movie set... these agencies exist to effect the will of the state against arbitrary targets by way of power. there's no moral content there until they actually act.
- pjmlp 10y agoWhen I was a child the weapons were still hot from the colonial war and through the years I got to learn quite a few PIDE-DGS stories, some from people that lived through it, yet I rather have secret services around than not.