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I've lost general respect for German intelligence and policing apparati after Thuringen willfully destroyed evidence regarding right-wing-terrorists to cover th

by cm3 10y ago

I've lost general respect for German intelligence and policing apparati after Thuringen willfully destroyed evidence regarding right-wing-terrorists to cover their misdeeds. Happened again later in a murder case in Kassel in the same investigation. It may be isolated incidents, but that this is possible and the fact that there have been no visible consequences to make up for it is telling. If there are long-term interests/plans and these are games like those played by the CIA, then at least let the public know about this little detail and argue for keeping it confidential and excuse collateral damage. I won't condone it, but it would be an explanation, if it's not brought forward on every 2nd incident. That said, I do have respect for the foot soldiers in the force, just as I do for hospital staff.

schlowmo 10y ago
> "It may be isolated incidents" Yes, "it may". German agencies are famous for "isolated incidents". It's only a matter of definition what's to be called "isolated". Those isolated incidents reach back even to the "Operation Gehlen"[0], the predecessor of the BND which was founded in 1946. One could say that the history of German agencies is the history of isolated incidents. While this may hold true for intelligence agencies all over the world, the historic ties leave a very bad taste regarding right-wing-terror in Germany. The "National Socialist Underground" (NSU)[1] was only the tip of the iceberg. [0] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gehlen_Organization https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gehlen_Organization [1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/National_Socialist_Underground https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/National_Socialist_Underground
- cm3 10y ago
  Regarding NSU, to this day I've failed to figure out how they dubbed their pink panther video with what sounds like the original German dub voice and made it sound good. Searching on the internet is hard because it finds all kinds of irrelevant stuff. Would like to know more and if this is easily possible for extremists with laptops to accomplish in such seamless quality, if it's a stitch-work of existing audio tracks. It's the same level of quality as the Obama video+audio stitch-work in Mr Robot.
  - mtmail 10y ago
    When you search for the audio quality of their videos is the "irrelevant stuff" maybe their https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/NSU_murders https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/NSU_murders?

by cm3 10y ago

schlowmo 10y ago

> "It may be isolated incidents" Yes, "it may". German agencies are famous for "isolated incidents". It's only a matter of definition what's to be called "isolated". Those isolated incidents reach back even to the "Operation Gehlen"[0], the predecessor of the BND which was founded in 1946. One could say that the history of German agencies is the history of isolated incidents. While this may hold true for intelligence agencies all over the world, the historic ties leave a very bad taste regarding right-wing-terror in Germany. The "National Socialist Underground" (NSU)[1] was only the tip of the iceberg. [0] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gehlen_Organization https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gehlen_Organization [1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/National_Socialist_Underground https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/National_Socialist_Underground

cm3 10y ago
Regarding NSU, to this day I've failed to figure out how they dubbed their pink panther video with what sounds like the original German dub voice and made it sound good. Searching on the internet is hard because it finds all kinds of irrelevant stuff. Would like to know more and if this is easily possible for extremists with laptops to accomplish in such seamless quality, if it's a stitch-work of existing audio tracks. It's the same level of quality as the Obama video+audio stitch-work in Mr Robot.
- mtmail 10y ago
  When you search for the audio quality of their videos is the "irrelevant stuff" maybe their https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/NSU_murders https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/NSU_murders?