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I'm going to agree with you re: Whistleblowers & COINTELPRO, but was Clinton criminally negligent or just "Best practices were not adhered to" negligent? My imp

by iamdave 10y ago

I'm going to agree with you re: Whistleblowers & COINTELPRO, but was Clinton criminally negligent or just "Best practices were not adhered to" negligent? My impression from Comey's statements are the latter. Asking this genuinely, since I didn't read far into the story beyond said statements.

xenadu02 10y ago
The email thing is just a conservative smoke smear. Reading the FBI investigation files makes that extremely clear... and obvious why she wasn't charged: no crime was committed. She even went so far as to avoid Colin Powel's advice on how to hide her emails from FOIA requests.
- douche 10y ago
  Using BleachBit on servers, smashing devices with hammers to destroy hard drives, and straight up losing dozens of devices with classified information on them? At best its got some real subpar optics, and even being charitable and assuming no ill intent, it looks bumbling and incompetent.
  - iamdave 10y ago
    At best its got some real subpar optics, and even being charitable and assuming no ill intent, it looks bumbling and incompetent. Okay. But are those things criminal? The parent of this chain mentioned the FBI recommending against prosecution, implying criminal acts occurred, so I think this posit is non-ignorable.
    - duncan_bayne 10y ago
      Personal opinion: they were criminal, and anyone without Clinton's level of political clout would have been vigorously prosecuted. As another example, consider Aaron Schwartz, who was hounded to death by the State (possibly not the FBI?) over Copyright infringement. It boils my blood that seemingly half of the USA want to give Clinton a free pass on this, just because she's on "their side".
- duncan_bayne 10y ago
  You realise the FBI has prosecuted people in the past, simply for the act of lying to them? Martha Stewart is the person who springs to mind. Please bear in mind: I'm not a Trump supporter, I'm not a conservative, and I'm not a Sanders supporter either. I just don't understand how anyone can look at the FBI's kid-glove treatment of Clinton and conclude that any 'regular' citizen would be afforded the same generosity.
  - iamdave 10y ago
    Yea but what 'regular' citizen would have, all else being fair and equal-anywhere near the levels of information that Clinton had without having conducted some activities that probably warrants less than 'kid-glove' treatment from the authorities?
    - duncan_bayne 10y ago
      Any one of the Whistle-blowers who the current administration has prosecuted (or driven into exile, like Snowden).

by iamdave 10y ago

xenadu02 10y ago

The email thing is just a conservative smoke smear. Reading the FBI investigation files makes that extremely clear... and obvious why she wasn't charged: no crime was committed. She even went so far as to avoid Colin Powel's advice on how to hide her emails from FOIA requests.

douche 10y ago
Using BleachBit on servers, smashing devices with hammers to destroy hard drives, and straight up losing dozens of devices with classified information on them? At best its got some real subpar optics, and even being charitable and assuming no ill intent, it looks bumbling and incompetent.
- iamdave 10y ago
  At best its got some real subpar optics, and even being charitable and assuming no ill intent, it looks bumbling and incompetent. Okay. But are those things criminal? The parent of this chain mentioned the FBI recommending against prosecution, implying criminal acts occurred, so I think this posit is non-ignorable.
  - duncan_bayne 10y ago
    Personal opinion: they were criminal, and anyone without Clinton's level of political clout would have been vigorously prosecuted. As another example, consider Aaron Schwartz, who was hounded to death by the State (possibly not the FBI?) over Copyright infringement. It boils my blood that seemingly half of the USA want to give Clinton a free pass on this, just because she's on "their side".
duncan_bayne 10y ago
You realise the FBI has prosecuted people in the past, simply for the act of lying to them? Martha Stewart is the person who springs to mind. Please bear in mind: I'm not a Trump supporter, I'm not a conservative, and I'm not a Sanders supporter either. I just don't understand how anyone can look at the FBI's kid-glove treatment of Clinton and conclude that any 'regular' citizen would be afforded the same generosity.
- iamdave 10y ago
  Yea but what 'regular' citizen would have, all else being fair and equal-anywhere near the levels of information that Clinton had without having conducted some activities that probably warrants less than 'kid-glove' treatment from the authorities?
  - duncan_bayne 10y ago
    Any one of the Whistle-blowers who the current administration has prosecuted (or driven into exile, like Snowden).