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how do you work for someone without them knowing your age? Do you keep that out of your CV? How about credentials and signing your contact? Seems very strange t
by RottenHuman 10y ago
how do you work for someone without them knowing your age? Do you keep that out of your CV? How about credentials and signing your contact? Seems very strange to me.
- jlarocco 10y agoYour age or birth date probably shouldn't be on your CV. Unless you think it's relevant to the job somehow, but it probably isn't. Not only should it not matter, but it's illegal for employers to ask about it or consider it in their hiring decision, so having it right there on your CV puts them in a bit of a tight spot. I think some recruiters will actually remove that type of thing before forwarding it on to the interviewers and hiring people.
- philsnow 10y agoMany people put college graduation year on their resume, and hiring managers reflexively subtract ~20 from that year and aren't wrong 99% of the time.
- dorfsmay 10y agoInteresting! I graduated much later in life, don't put my DOB on resume and I've often been told that they expected me to be younger when they see me - now I get it!
- cableshaft 10y agoOne of the few perks of not finishing your degree until much later is the fact that you can put that date on your resume and people assume you're younger. It's expensive, though, considering how much and how fast college tuition has been shooting up in price the past 15 years.
- laurieg 10y agoThat depends on what country you're in. In Japan it's very standard to include date of birth, gender and a photograph on CV's. On the whole I hate the practice, but you have to consider cultural norms when doing the job-hunting dance.
- ido 10y agoIt's also customary in Germany, although I've never had a problem getting a job and I've never attached a photo to my resume.
- denzil_correa 10y agoIt's quite customary in Getmany to even have a picture on your CV.
- kuschku 10y agoNot really anymore, the latest version of the DIN norm on CVs has no photo or birthdate anymore, and in some states, it’s being discussed to ban it even.
- germanier 10y agoIs there a a norm on CVs? The only remotely relevant I know of is DIN 5008 which concerns letters but doesn't contain anything regarding CVs.
- germanier 10y agoDepends on where you work. Anything influenced by the English-speaking world (IT, multinationals) – never attach a photo. A small local company – always attach a photo. Anything else – good luck deciding what to do.
- Zelmor 10y agoIn Hungary, it is standard to include a photo on the CV, so I do that. Recruiter friends told me how they consider non-photo applications secondary to ones with photos, and how a human face helps building a connection right from the start. So my only reason for including my age on the CV is because I look like I'm 24, whereas I'm pushing 31.
- dasboth 10y agoNot just Hungary, most of Europe outside of the UK seems to do this. I remember finding it a bit odd the first time I had to sift through developer CVs and most of them had photos.
- geomark 10y agoWhat's the story in Asia? I only know about Thailand where a photo, age, sex and religion(!) are standard on CVs. Most advertised jobs state requirement for male or female of a certain age.
- lostboys67 10y agoThat is because many European country's are still a bit un reconstructed when it comes to issues around race. Photos make it easier to hire people like us :-(
- gaius 10y agoGraduation dates need to be there for any role that involves a background check.
- JadeNB 10y ago> Do you keep that out of your CV? My understanding is that it is not only possible not to mention your age in your CV, but even illegal for companies to ask you what your age is as part of the application process.
- erichurkman 10y agoPutting your age isn't necessary when your experience goes back decades and you graduated from university before your hiring manager was even born. Similarly, your name can convey a lot of biases as well, such as gender and ethnicity.
- dmoy 10y agoYou can truncate your cv and not list graduation year, though name is tough.
- Symbiote 10y agoThe last time I shortlisted people for interview, HR had removed names and any other identifying information. "So, candidate 24892 looks strong." I don't know if I have unconscious biases, but this method was unlikely to make things less fair.
- newscracker 10y agoThat sounds like a very good move to let people have an equal opportunity to "get a foot in the door", so to speak, but I'm genuinely curious how biases may be reduced during the interview process (be it telephonic or direct) and interview questions that may be directed at one's experience? Is this even possible without having dedicated "how to interview people" learning sessions and monitoring?
- dmoy 10y agoYea definitely the company can do that on their end. Harder for you to do as an applicant though.
- hirundo 10y agoI amputated my birth year, education and about 20 years of experience from my CV. Health insurance paperwork went directly to the broker. This is an outfit that hires by test and interview and cares not about aught else. Turns out they're not that rare.