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> mbti discredited Do you have any good citations? A majority of hacker news readers are INTJ and intp, 2 types that generally find mbti useful in understandi

> mbti discredited Do you have any good citations? A majority of hacker news readers are INTJ and intp, 2 types that generally find mbti useful in understanding themselves and others. I doubt hr puts much stock in mbti anyway, because it would be an easy test to game if it was officially considered.

angry_octet 10y ago
Google 'mtbi validity'. It is very possible HN readers are INTJ because they see e.g. introversion as one of their traits -- but it doesn't mean it is true! Poor construct validity is one of the problems. For example, if I ask you, "Are you creative in how you solve problems?" the answers may only slightly correlate with creative problem solving. A very accessible article: https://www.psychologytoday.com/blog/give-and-take/201309/goodbye-mbti-the-fad-won-t-die https://www.psychologytoday.com/blog/give-and-take/201309/go... http://indiana.edu/~jobtalk/Articles/develop/mbti.pdf http://indiana.edu/~jobtalk/Articles/develop/mbti.pdf http://epublications.bond.edu.au/cgi/viewcontent.cgi?article=1026&context=hss_pubs http://epublications.bond.edu.au/cgi/viewcontent.cgi?article... Overall, MBTI is more reliable than astrology, and has proven to generate significant sums for the owner, CPP.
- naveen99 10y ago
  Thanks for the references, I read them. > inconsistency of results Atleast on hacker news, the test is fairly consistent. There have been several surveys here. > lack of statistical analyzability That is the academic psychologist's problem. > 89 / 100 fortune 100 companies use it internally A lot of people hear recommend blindly investing in s&p 500. I trust fortune 100 companies more than psychology associations and bloggers. > college board chose not to use it Yes. Because it is one static test that can be memorized to produce desired result by test taker. But if one takes it for their own understanding, there is no reason to cheat (and it becomes useful) Not convinced that these two blog posts and 1 white paper opinion piece count as discrediting mbti. I will look for a meta review. In the end, I think personality testing, similar to iq testing is not politically correct. But it can be useful, as a self test atleast. Companies prefer to use it but keep the process non transparent. They like the flexibility of being able to say "personality fit" without the transparency of a test because one it doesn't open up liability and two the test is gameable in an adversarial situation. Atleast I haven't seen any claims of racial differences in mbti, which might make it useful as a way to find engineer / rational types in underrepresented groups in software.

angry_octet 10y ago

Google 'mtbi validity'. It is very possible HN readers are INTJ because they see e.g. introversion as one of their traits -- but it doesn't mean it is true! Poor construct validity is one of the problems. For example, if I ask you, "Are you creative in how you solve problems?" the answers may only slightly correlate with creative problem solving. A very accessible article: https://www.psychologytoday.com/blog/give-and-take/201309/goodbye-mbti-the-fad-won-t-die https://www.psychologytoday.com/blog/give-and-take/201309/go... http://indiana.edu/~jobtalk/Articles/develop/mbti.pdf http://indiana.edu/~jobtalk/Articles/develop/mbti.pdf http://epublications.bond.edu.au/cgi/viewcontent.cgi?article=1026&context=hss_pubs http://epublications.bond.edu.au/cgi/viewcontent.cgi?article... Overall, MBTI is more reliable than astrology, and has proven to generate significant sums for the owner, CPP.

naveen99 10y ago
Thanks for the references, I read them. > inconsistency of results Atleast on hacker news, the test is fairly consistent. There have been several surveys here. > lack of statistical analyzability That is the academic psychologist's problem. > 89 / 100 fortune 100 companies use it internally A lot of people hear recommend blindly investing in s&p 500. I trust fortune 100 companies more than psychology associations and bloggers. > college board chose not to use it Yes. Because it is one static test that can be memorized to produce desired result by test taker. But if one takes it for their own understanding, there is no reason to cheat (and it becomes useful) Not convinced that these two blog posts and 1 white paper opinion piece count as discrediting mbti. I will look for a meta review. In the end, I think personality testing, similar to iq testing is not politically correct. But it can be useful, as a self test atleast. Companies prefer to use it but keep the process non transparent. They like the flexibility of being able to say "personality fit" without the transparency of a test because one it doesn't open up liability and two the test is gameable in an adversarial situation. Atleast I haven't seen any claims of racial differences in mbti, which might make it useful as a way to find engineer / rational types in underrepresented groups in software.