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Kicking out a serial abuser from their ranks = Social Justice?

mwfunk 10y ago
Sad, isn't it? It's even sadder that there are people who use terms like "social justice" as epithets. I don't know that I've ever met one of these "SJWs" in real life (and I live in the Bay Area FFS) but I've met so many effing people who have somehow convinced themselves that not only do these people exist, but they exist in such large numbers as to have an influence on what other people are or are not allowed to say. At this point I'm 99% sure that (a) SJW backlash is some form of mass hysteria where large groups of people have convinced themselves and each other that these people exist in vastly greater numbers than they actually do (I'm talking multiple orders of magnitude) and (b) many of the most vocal anti-SJW warriors (let's call them ASJWWs) are simply people who at some point in their lives had experiences where they were being a-holes (probably without realizing it), and somebody called them out on it, but rather than learning from the experience and feeling slightly guilty about being a jerk, they decided it was all a big conspiracy against courageous truth-tellers such as themselves. All based on anecdotal evidence of course, but I'm old enough (and have lived in every corner of the US, around pretty much every demographic there is) to have accumulated an embarrassing amount of anecdotal evidence on this topic.
- syshum 10y ago
  There are 3 possibilities here 1. You do not get out much 2. You are very young thus do not have a frame of reference of the time before SJW was a large scale movement 3. You are a Social Justice Warrior, and are infact surrounded by them because of this you believe that is normal. Take your pick
  - mwfunk 10y ago
    Try none of the above! There is no "large scale movement" that I can see, this literally only exists in your imagination. If you say something that pisses people off, you could blame their negative reaction on (1) some abstract "movement" that is brainwashing people on a large scale, or (2) you could be voicing an unpopular opinion, or (3) you could be deeply wrong in whatever this truth is that you feel like you can't say. Just because someone takes exception to something you say doesn't mean that there's some grand conspiracy to silence you, although I'm sure believing that makes you feel better about yourself.
    - syshum 10y ago
      There is a difference between "taking an exception" and shouting someone down Here are some example in everyday real life that have occurred recently and been recorded, situations like I link below happen every day, and are often never recorded. There are also HUGE numbers of people that self censor so as to not draw that attention of the rabid SJW. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MMT3vuSQk3g https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MMT3vuSQk3g https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FeNJFz-WCZs https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FeNJFz-WCZs It should be pointed out, that the people shooting the video believed they were in the right, believe they where showing the world a bigot, or racist, or misogynist. They believe their actions is the proper reaction to encountering such a person. So the question I posit to you is. Do you agree with their actions, would you agree with their actions if the target of their rage would have actually been a racist, or misogynist? If you believe these are proper reactions, and the persons in the video are simply "calling out" behavior they dislike, then you prove my point that you are infact a SJW and can not identify them because of that fact. The people highlighted in the video are I admit extreme example, but not too extreme. SJW is a raising trend, it started probably 10 years or so ago in Universities, and is spread on a massive scale to HR dept's in major companies, and to every day interactions like the ones shown in the video. It is not a conspiracy, it is reality.
- AckSyn 10y ago
  "social justice" is nothing more than mob rule. Having taught in academia/higher education before moving to the private sector, these clowns use public shaming techniques to silence people of differing opinions using threats of intimidation and violence. It's completely anti-ethical to a healthy society where free speech is stifled socially, to say nothing of a lack of govt interference. tl;dr, pull your head out of your ass
  - mwfunk 10y ago
    So, either there's a global conspiracy to silence you, or you might be immature and/or kind of a jerk. Go back and read what you literally just wrote right here on HN; one of these is far more likely than the other.
    - syshum 10y ago
      that is not the only 2 options, It does not need to be a conspiracy for SJW to be a movement.
syshum 10y ago
Clearly you do not follow the Project closely or the inner workings of the Project if you believe Jacob Applebaum was the only person in the project forced or kicked out.
- colemickens 10y ago
  Thanks for being condescending instead of offering up more information to someone, who in fact does not follow the Project closely.

Sad, isn't it? It's even sadder that there are people who use terms like "social justice" as epithets. I don't know that I've ever met one of these "SJWs" in real life (and I live in the Bay Area FFS) but I've met so many effing people who have somehow convinced themselves that not only do these people exist, but they exist in such large numbers as to have an influence on what other people are or are not allowed to say. At this point I'm 99% sure that (a) SJW backlash is some form of mass hysteria where large groups of people have convinced themselves and each other that these people exist in vastly greater numbers than they actually do (I'm talking multiple orders of magnitude) and (b) many of the most vocal anti-SJW warriors (let's call them ASJWWs) are simply people who at some point in their lives had experiences where they were being a-holes (probably without realizing it), and somebody called them out on it, but rather than learning from the experience and feeling slightly guilty about being a jerk, they decided it was all a big conspiracy against courageous truth-tellers such as themselves. All based on anecdotal evidence of course, but I'm old enough (and have lived in every corner of the US, around pretty much every demographic there is) to have accumulated an embarrassing amount of anecdotal evidence on this topic.

syshum 10y ago
There are 3 possibilities here 1. You do not get out much 2. You are very young thus do not have a frame of reference of the time before SJW was a large scale movement 3. You are a Social Justice Warrior, and are infact surrounded by them because of this you believe that is normal. Take your pick
- mwfunk 10y ago
  Try none of the above! There is no "large scale movement" that I can see, this literally only exists in your imagination. If you say something that pisses people off, you could blame their negative reaction on (1) some abstract "movement" that is brainwashing people on a large scale, or (2) you could be voicing an unpopular opinion, or (3) you could be deeply wrong in whatever this truth is that you feel like you can't say. Just because someone takes exception to something you say doesn't mean that there's some grand conspiracy to silence you, although I'm sure believing that makes you feel better about yourself.
  - syshum 10y ago
    There is a difference between "taking an exception" and shouting someone down Here are some example in everyday real life that have occurred recently and been recorded, situations like I link below happen every day, and are often never recorded. There are also HUGE numbers of people that self censor so as to not draw that attention of the rabid SJW. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MMT3vuSQk3g https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MMT3vuSQk3g https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FeNJFz-WCZs https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FeNJFz-WCZs It should be pointed out, that the people shooting the video believed they were in the right, believe they where showing the world a bigot, or racist, or misogynist. They believe their actions is the proper reaction to encountering such a person. So the question I posit to you is. Do you agree with their actions, would you agree with their actions if the target of their rage would have actually been a racist, or misogynist? If you believe these are proper reactions, and the persons in the video are simply "calling out" behavior they dislike, then you prove my point that you are infact a SJW and can not identify them because of that fact. The people highlighted in the video are I admit extreme example, but not too extreme. SJW is a raising trend, it started probably 10 years or so ago in Universities, and is spread on a massive scale to HR dept's in major companies, and to every day interactions like the ones shown in the video. It is not a conspiracy, it is reality.
AckSyn 10y ago
"social justice" is nothing more than mob rule. Having taught in academia/higher education before moving to the private sector, these clowns use public shaming techniques to silence people of differing opinions using threats of intimidation and violence. It's completely anti-ethical to a healthy society where free speech is stifled socially, to say nothing of a lack of govt interference. tl;dr, pull your head out of your ass
- mwfunk 10y ago
  So, either there's a global conspiracy to silence you, or you might be immature and/or kind of a jerk. Go back and read what you literally just wrote right here on HN; one of these is far more likely than the other.
  - syshum 10y ago
    that is not the only 2 options, It does not need to be a conspiracy for SJW to be a movement.

syshum 10y ago

Clearly you do not follow the Project closely or the inner workings of the Project if you believe Jacob Applebaum was the only person in the project forced or kicked out.

colemickens 10y ago
Thanks for being condescending instead of offering up more information to someone, who in fact does not follow the Project closely.