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Dude, dude, dude, you've almost identified the real issue here (interpreting everything as harassment for the sake of an agenda), and then gone off onto wild el

by IsaacL 10y ago

Dude, dude, dude, you've almost identified the real issue here (interpreting everything as harassment for the sake of an agenda), and then gone off onto wild elaborate tangents about social status and evolutionary biology. Look at the actual people who incite these campaigns (e.g., https://twitter.com/nexxylove/status/771503661956501504 https://twitter.com/nexxylove/status/771503661956501504). "Don't bother to examine a folly, ask yourself only what it accomplishes". These people have a laser-focused sensitivity on actions which make certain groups feel unwelcome. They can't be unaware of the messages they themselves are sending. Who are they trying to make feel unwelcome?

GirlsCanCode 10y ago
They think it's unfair that Math and Science are only "open" to those with enough intellectual capacity to understand them. To them, it's not fair that a person not capable of understanding math or engineering can't get a job designing the next generation CPU chip, or the next compression algorithm. So they just throw a monkey wrench in the whole thing.
curioussavage 10y ago
Oh my goodness they actually have a tweet about the weak map statement!! https://twitter.com/nodebotanist/status/512891046192504832 https://twitter.com/nodebotanist/status/512891046192504832 I thought it was a joke, I mean... its almost funny now.
PavlovsCat 10y ago
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tBRGMcdAKzs&t=13m15s https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tBRGMcdAKzs&t=13m15s "I have a theory, feel free to prove me wrong by "kicking out" "toxic actors", I dare you". The sad part is, I think she does have a point. People who treat each other decently might soon enough LEARN to be great coders, while being good at something is really no excuse to be a dick. Not that I think Crockford is one, but generally speaking; the better you are, the more polite you ought to be towards "little ones", or you're an asshole. But the whole logic of let's prove it by assuming it's true, with ZERO thought given to what to do if it turns out wrong, is just one gaping wound of a brainfart, I'm just astonished. I'm not not just saying that to be snarky: it does remind me of things Hannah Arendt wrote about totalitarian propaganda, e.g. someone is declared as unfit to live and then killed, proving the theory correct, with some pseudo-scientific, pseudo-compassionate babble on the side. Oh, but they're "just" declaring people as non-existing for them and any decent person, so that's different, right? Well, not different enough to be acceptable. One way in which it is the SAME is that the words are just a bunch of hot air and sophistry, the standards are all double - it's all about the action, the movement, the in-group. You don't have to build concentration camps for there to be something deeply wrong with that. > They can't be unaware of the messages they themselves are sending. Oh, as foot soldiers of course they can be unaware. Between https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Psychological_projection https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Psychological_projection and https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dunning%E2%80%93Kruger_effect https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dunning%E2%80%93Kruger_effect there isn't anything anyone cannot get themselves to believe.

by IsaacL 10y ago

GirlsCanCode 10y ago

They think it's unfair that Math and Science are only "open" to those with enough intellectual capacity to understand them. To them, it's not fair that a person not capable of understanding math or engineering can't get a job designing the next generation CPU chip, or the next compression algorithm. So they just throw a monkey wrench in the whole thing.

curioussavage 10y ago

Oh my goodness they actually have a tweet about the weak map statement!! https://twitter.com/nodebotanist/status/512891046192504832 https://twitter.com/nodebotanist/status/512891046192504832 I thought it was a joke, I mean... its almost funny now.

PavlovsCat 10y ago

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tBRGMcdAKzs&t=13m15s https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tBRGMcdAKzs&t=13m15s "I have a theory, feel free to prove me wrong by "kicking out" "toxic actors", I dare you". The sad part is, I think she does have a point. People who treat each other decently might soon enough LEARN to be great coders, while being good at something is really no excuse to be a dick. Not that I think Crockford is one, but generally speaking; the better you are, the more polite you ought to be towards "little ones", or you're an asshole. But the whole logic of let's prove it by assuming it's true, with ZERO thought given to what to do if it turns out wrong, is just one gaping wound of a brainfart, I'm just astonished. I'm not not just saying that to be snarky: it does remind me of things Hannah Arendt wrote about totalitarian propaganda, e.g. someone is declared as unfit to live and then killed, proving the theory correct, with some pseudo-scientific, pseudo-compassionate babble on the side. Oh, but they're "just" declaring people as non-existing for them and any decent person, so that's different, right? Well, not different enough to be acceptable. One way in which it is the SAME is that the words are just a bunch of hot air and sophistry, the standards are all double - it's all about the action, the movement, the in-group. You don't have to build concentration camps for there to be something deeply wrong with that. > They can't be unaware of the messages they themselves are sending. Oh, as foot soldiers of course they can be unaware. Between https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Psychological_projection https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Psychological_projection and https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dunning%E2%80%93Kruger_effect https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dunning%E2%80%93Kruger_effect there isn't anything anyone cannot get themselves to believe.