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I long for the good old, tech-first days of Tor. This invasion of talkers and lobbyists (even if for the good cause) is ruining it.

by aw3c2 10y ago

mintplant 10y ago
Jacob Appelbaum, the guy they kicked out, was already more a talker than a technologist.
- syshum 10y ago
  They kicked or forced out more than Jacob Appelbaum.
  - mintplant 10y ago
    Who else was kicked or forced out?
    - syshum 10y ago
      The entire governing board. Multiple Major Exit Node operators The old bridge node operator Those are just the people that have spoken publicly about their exit. Many others (given the nature of Tor) are not going to come forward publicly. They simply stop contributing and disappear. Jacob was a distraction and excuse. A Distraction so people would focus on that instead of what was happening with the project A excuse to implement massive Social Justice and what I believe to be long term Pro Government reforms/policies within the project.
- aw3c2 10y ago
  To be honest, when the "inspirational" hipster speeches started, I stopped going to the Tor talks at conferences. Roger was the perfect spokesman, nerdy but giving very understandable presentations, more concerned with transporting information than wearing the right scarf to tight pants.
cm3 10y ago
The profile of Tor demands that the developers stay anonymous, so that they cannot be targeted in any way. They already need to have policies/processes to vet code coming over the internet, so there's no need to know contributors in person. It's better to not know anyone in person, in order to not compromise the goals in any way or challenge someone's safety. Also, if Tor devs would never have interacted in person, then the alleged sexual offenses wouldn't have happened during Tor meets but some other event the accused was present at, keeping Tor free of such non-technical events. Just like reverse engineers, emulator devs, un-free codec devs are smart to operate anonymously, so should Tor devs, and it would force them to adopt needed policies for vetting random contributions properly.

I long for the good old, tech-first days of Tor. This invasion of talkers and lobbyists (even if for the good cause) is ruining it.

by aw3c2 10y ago

I long for the good old, tech-first days of Tor. This invasion of talkers and lobbyists (even if for the good cause) is ruining it.

mintplant 10y ago

Jacob Appelbaum, the guy they kicked out, was already more a talker than a technologist.

syshum 10y ago
They kicked or forced out more than Jacob Appelbaum.
- mintplant 10y ago
  Who else was kicked or forced out?
  - syshum 10y ago
    The entire governing board. Multiple Major Exit Node operators The old bridge node operator Those are just the people that have spoken publicly about their exit. Many others (given the nature of Tor) are not going to come forward publicly. They simply stop contributing and disappear. Jacob was a distraction and excuse. A Distraction so people would focus on that instead of what was happening with the project A excuse to implement massive Social Justice and what I believe to be long term Pro Government reforms/policies within the project.
aw3c2 10y ago
To be honest, when the "inspirational" hipster speeches started, I stopped going to the Tor talks at conferences. Roger was the perfect spokesman, nerdy but giving very understandable presentations, more concerned with transporting information than wearing the right scarf to tight pants.

cm3 10y ago

The profile of Tor demands that the developers stay anonymous, so that they cannot be targeted in any way. They already need to have policies/processes to vet code coming over the internet, so there's no need to know contributors in person. It's better to not know anyone in person, in order to not compromise the goals in any way or challenge someone's safety. Also, if Tor devs would never have interacted in person, then the alleged sexual offenses wouldn't have happened during Tor meets but some other event the accused was present at, keeping Tor free of such non-technical events. Just like reverse engineers, emulator devs, un-free codec devs are smart to operate anonymously, so should Tor devs, and it would force them to adopt needed policies for vetting random contributions properly.