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I liked it much more when open source was about the code and not the people behind it. Nowadays I worry that I might be called out for using a piece of code (ho

by pkd 10y ago

I liked it much more when open source was about the code and not the people behind it. Nowadays I worry that I might be called out for using a piece of code (however good it might be) just because the person who wrote it does not use "inclusive" language.

brakmic 10y ago
AFAIK, this only affects the JavaScript-based communities. I sincerely doubt one would find anything remotely similar in C++, Linux (C lang), or Assembly-programming communities. The "harder" the language the less non-coding politics around.
- santaclaus 10y ago
  > I sincerely doubt one would find anything remotely similar in a C++, Linux (C lang), or Assembly-programming communities. The Linux world is full of commotion surrounding (written) language.
  - brakmic 10y ago
    I mentioned the "non-coding" related politics which seem to be deeply rooted in JS-based communities.
- oldmanjay 10y ago
  When you have two people, you have politics. Nerds just have this ridiculous social signal where they have to pretend to be above it.
  - SCHiM 10y ago
    Nerds try to out-nerd each other. Which could be considered helpful since it could motivate people to go way over the top when designing code, perhaps also harmful if that results in over engineered code instead of good code.
  - Puts 10y ago
    I sincerely do believe that as technology has become more accessible and more "normal" people get into the industry, this has lead to things being more about politics and less about solving problems. Sometimes I even think that ordinary people like arguing and drama and willingly misunderstands each other just to not get bored. True aspie-nerds don't need this, they have other interesting things to fill their head with.
    - tangent128 10y ago
      Alternatively, is it possible that "normal" people have problems that are generally not encountered in the experience of "aspie nerds"? The necessity of Unicode is a great example of how a seemingly-straightforward technical design can prove inadequate once it needs to serve the full set of humanity.
  - derefr 10y ago
    A lot of "nerds" are autistic, you know? Not so much "above" politics as completely incapable of it (or at least extremely stressed out by the attempt such that they avoid it wherever possible.)
- sheraz 10y ago
  Nope. Django communities have been infected with this as well. https://github.com/django/django/pull/2692 https://github.com/django/django/pull/2692
  - JBiserkov 10y ago
    By default Git has this thing called a 'master branch', we should change that too. Upvote this comment if you agree. Upvote this comment if you think it's sarcasm.
- yuja_wang 10y ago
  I've never seen this in the Verilog or CUDA/C++ communities.
- pandaman 10y ago
  In my experience this is centered in San Francisco and is affecting any field, which is strong in that area.
- vatotemking 10y ago
  r/php and php-fig has its own share of drama and toxicity
pyre 10y ago
This is a straw man. No one is going to call you our for using a piece of code because it lacks "inclusive" language, unless you decide to use a library with a name like `libniggerjew`. Or something that maybe includes variable names like "theHolocaustIsALie". At some point, you would have the blame the author of the software for injecting politics into their software. That said, open source has been shaped by the people behind it. Entire forks have been created over nothing but internal politics regardless of "inclusivity." Large projects have rejected major features just because the maintainer didn't want it even though others did. Just because you have been insulated from this doesn't mean it isn't there.
- waterphone 10y ago
  This is exactly what happens. People crawl through projects on github for certain words and open pull requests to try and get them changed.
  - pyre 10y ago
    Can you quantify this? How many of these people exist? To me this just sounds like some sort of "stranger danger" boogeyman. A problem that is much smaller than you make it out to be.
    - waterphone 10y ago
      Here are a few random examples of such absurdity I found in a several minute search. https://github.com/opal/opal/issues/941 https://github.com/opal/opal/issues/941 https://github.com/kickstarter/rack-attack/pull/181 https://github.com/kickstarter/rack-attack/pull/181 https://github.com/graphite-project/graphite-web/issues/1569 https://github.com/graphite-project/graphite-web/issues/1569 https://github.com/dotnet/roslyn/pull/3507 https://github.com/dotnet/roslyn/pull/3507 https://github.com/Droogans/unmaintainable-code/pull/20 https://github.com/Droogans/unmaintainable-code/pull/20 https://github.com/zendframework/zend-expressive/pull/340 https://github.com/zendframework/zend-expressive/pull/340 https://github.com/assemble/assemble.io/issues/163 https://github.com/assemble/assemble.io/issues/163 https://github.com/braydie/HowToBeAProgrammer/issues/68 https://github.com/braydie/HowToBeAProgrammer/issues/68 https://github.com/airbnb/javascript/pull/698 https://github.com/airbnb/javascript/pull/698 https://github.com/lighthouse-labs/clock-tower/pull/87 https://github.com/lighthouse-labs/clock-tower/pull/87 https://github.com/smalltownheroes/bikini-girls-with-machine-guns/issues/1 https://github.com/smalltownheroes/bikini-girls-with-machine... https://github.com/kubernetes/kubernetes/issues/27430 https://github.com/kubernetes/kubernetes/issues/27430 https://github.com/ardanlabs/gotraining/issues/75 https://github.com/ardanlabs/gotraining/issues/75 https://github.com/antirez/redis/issues/3185 https://github.com/antirez/redis/issues/3185 https://github.com/syl20bnr/spacemacs/pull/3484 https://github.com/syl20bnr/spacemacs/pull/3484 https://github.com/TryGhost/Ghost/issues/5889 https://github.com/TryGhost/Ghost/issues/5889 https://github.com/twolfson/sexy-bash-prompt/issues/56 https://github.com/twolfson/sexy-bash-prompt/issues/56 http://web.archive.org/web/20151030100136/https://github.com/rosarior/awesome-django/issues/176 http://web.archive.org/web/20151030100136/https://github.com... https://github.com/pickhardt/betty/issues/11 https://github.com/pickhardt/betty/issues/11

by pkd 10y ago

brakmic 10y ago

AFAIK, this only affects the JavaScript-based communities. I sincerely doubt one would find anything remotely similar in C++, Linux (C lang), or Assembly-programming communities. The "harder" the language the less non-coding politics around.

santaclaus 10y ago
> I sincerely doubt one would find anything remotely similar in a C++, Linux (C lang), or Assembly-programming communities. The Linux world is full of commotion surrounding (written) language.
- brakmic 10y ago
  I mentioned the "non-coding" related politics which seem to be deeply rooted in JS-based communities.
oldmanjay 10y ago
When you have two people, you have politics. Nerds just have this ridiculous social signal where they have to pretend to be above it.
- SCHiM 10y ago
  Nerds try to out-nerd each other. Which could be considered helpful since it could motivate people to go way over the top when designing code, perhaps also harmful if that results in over engineered code instead of good code.
- Puts 10y ago
  I sincerely do believe that as technology has become more accessible and more "normal" people get into the industry, this has lead to things being more about politics and less about solving problems. Sometimes I even think that ordinary people like arguing and drama and willingly misunderstands each other just to not get bored. True aspie-nerds don't need this, they have other interesting things to fill their head with.
  - tangent128 10y ago
    Alternatively, is it possible that "normal" people have problems that are generally not encountered in the experience of "aspie nerds"? The necessity of Unicode is a great example of how a seemingly-straightforward technical design can prove inadequate once it needs to serve the full set of humanity.
- derefr 10y ago
  A lot of "nerds" are autistic, you know? Not so much "above" politics as completely incapable of it (or at least extremely stressed out by the attempt such that they avoid it wherever possible.)
sheraz 10y ago
Nope. Django communities have been infected with this as well. https://github.com/django/django/pull/2692 https://github.com/django/django/pull/2692
- JBiserkov 10y ago
  By default Git has this thing called a 'master branch', we should change that too. Upvote this comment if you agree. Upvote this comment if you think it's sarcasm.
yuja_wang 10y ago
I've never seen this in the Verilog or CUDA/C++ communities.
pandaman 10y ago
In my experience this is centered in San Francisco and is affecting any field, which is strong in that area.
vatotemking 10y ago
r/php and php-fig has its own share of drama and toxicity

pyre 10y ago

This is a straw man. No one is going to call you our for using a piece of code because it lacks "inclusive" language, unless you decide to use a library with a name like `libniggerjew`. Or something that maybe includes variable names like "theHolocaustIsALie". At some point, you would have the blame the author of the software for injecting politics into their software. That said, open source has been shaped by the people behind it. Entire forks have been created over nothing but internal politics regardless of "inclusivity." Large projects have rejected major features just because the maintainer didn't want it even though others did. Just because you have been insulated from this doesn't mean it isn't there.

waterphone 10y ago
This is exactly what happens. People crawl through projects on github for certain words and open pull requests to try and get them changed.
- pyre 10y ago
  Can you quantify this? How many of these people exist? To me this just sounds like some sort of "stranger danger" boogeyman. A problem that is much smaller than you make it out to be.
  - waterphone 10y ago
    Here are a few random examples of such absurdity I found in a several minute search. https://github.com/opal/opal/issues/941 https://github.com/opal/opal/issues/941 https://github.com/kickstarter/rack-attack/pull/181 https://github.com/kickstarter/rack-attack/pull/181 https://github.com/graphite-project/graphite-web/issues/1569 https://github.com/graphite-project/graphite-web/issues/1569 https://github.com/dotnet/roslyn/pull/3507 https://github.com/dotnet/roslyn/pull/3507 https://github.com/Droogans/unmaintainable-code/pull/20 https://github.com/Droogans/unmaintainable-code/pull/20 https://github.com/zendframework/zend-expressive/pull/340 https://github.com/zendframework/zend-expressive/pull/340 https://github.com/assemble/assemble.io/issues/163 https://github.com/assemble/assemble.io/issues/163 https://github.com/braydie/HowToBeAProgrammer/issues/68 https://github.com/braydie/HowToBeAProgrammer/issues/68 https://github.com/airbnb/javascript/pull/698 https://github.com/airbnb/javascript/pull/698 https://github.com/lighthouse-labs/clock-tower/pull/87 https://github.com/lighthouse-labs/clock-tower/pull/87 https://github.com/smalltownheroes/bikini-girls-with-machine-guns/issues/1 https://github.com/smalltownheroes/bikini-girls-with-machine... https://github.com/kubernetes/kubernetes/issues/27430 https://github.com/kubernetes/kubernetes/issues/27430 https://github.com/ardanlabs/gotraining/issues/75 https://github.com/ardanlabs/gotraining/issues/75 https://github.com/antirez/redis/issues/3185 https://github.com/antirez/redis/issues/3185 https://github.com/syl20bnr/spacemacs/pull/3484 https://github.com/syl20bnr/spacemacs/pull/3484 https://github.com/TryGhost/Ghost/issues/5889 https://github.com/TryGhost/Ghost/issues/5889 https://github.com/twolfson/sexy-bash-prompt/issues/56 https://github.com/twolfson/sexy-bash-prompt/issues/56 http://web.archive.org/web/20151030100136/https://github.com/rosarior/awesome-django/issues/176 http://web.archive.org/web/20151030100136/https://github.com... https://github.com/pickhardt/betty/issues/11 https://github.com/pickhardt/betty/issues/11