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Anecdotally, this seems to be a stronger thing in Node.js community than others. I recall on occasion on the Node channel on Freenode when I got chewed out by t
by fennecfoxen 10y ago
Anecdotally, this seems to be a stronger thing in Node.js community than others. I recall on occasion on the Node channel on Freenode when I got chewed out by the ops+ for not being inclusive enough with a casual "later, guys" (or "later, dudes").
(+ bona fide opped ops, notwithstanding the Freenode "low channel temperature" guidelines)
- mdadm 10y ago>Anecdotally, this seems to be a stronger thing in Node.js community than others. I have seen people speculate that this is due to the lower barrier of entry in the JS community (as a whole), although I'm not certain how true this would be.
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- mgkimsal 10y agothere's a pretty low barrier to entry in the PHP world, and I don't think we've seen anywhere near the same level of scrutiny.
- mdadm 10y agoWell lately, everything seems to be focused on JS, no? There's node.js, react, angular, $JAVASCRIPT_FRAMEWORK_OF_THE_DAY, ... So if JS is most of what you hear about, and if the community does actually have low entry standards, it seems logical that it'd be the community that would attract the most issues.
- 67726e 10y agoWell I think PHP has fallen out of favor for Node among the "I wanna program" crowd. Of course this whole "social justice" shit-show is a more recent thing so all the heat is in that community, leaving PHP out of the festivities.
- lukev 10y agoSo what you're saying is you want conferences to be a safe space for nerds, with none of them beginners or people with different ideas about what a good community looks like trying to mess things up?
- mdadm 10y agoThat isn't at all what I said. I specifically stated that I've seen other people say that, not that I myself think that. Of course different ideas are good; if we didn't have them, we'd be stuck in the stone age still. However, if the JS community does indeed have lower entry standards than normal, it stands to reason that such a conclusion can be reached pretty easily.
- Odin78 10y agoI had a similar experience with the Rust board, so (anecdotally) it might not be related to the low barrier of entry.
- mdadm 10y agoIf you don't mind me asking, what experience did you have?
- walshemj 10y agoum is not "guys" a gender neutral term these day I have in the UK certainly had female colleagues us it in that way
- mdadm 10y agoIt is generally used that way. But it's also sometimes used in the gender-specific manner, and so some people will take offense over it.
- andrewingram 10y agoWell, most of my friends and acquaintances are women and it's not uncommon for them to say stuff like "I need to grow a pair" or "I need to just man up" if they think they're being a bit unconfident. They're very gendered phrases and I must admit to finding it a bit strange hearing women say them, but it does demonstrate that they've become pretty neutralised in modern parlance.
- waterphone 10y agoA social justice warrior would suggest that those women are experiencing internalized sexism. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Internalized_sexism https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Internalized_sexism
- ralusek 10y agoThere is a simple explanation for this. NodeJS is a popular new environment; it's much more likely that a developer starting today will survey the job market, and choose to pursue NodeJS. It's very likely that a developer starting today belongs to a younger generation. Generationally, these concepts of triggers and safe spaces are almost exclusively limited to younger generations. Therefore, if younger people are choosing Node, and they're the people who believe in this nonsense, you're going to have some overlap there.