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ZG, is it actually possible to represent that demographic segment you mentioned: young, white, male, without it being called dangerously proto-fascist or extrem

ZG, is it actually possible to represent that demographic segment you mentioned: young, white, male, without it being called dangerously proto-fascist or extremist?

r00fus 10y ago
Sure, what is required is for the constituency to actually be inclusive of those not in the in-group. Examples like [1], combined with a lack of interest by the candidate or his followers in correcting the situation make historical analogies seem prescient. Compare/contrast with other candidates' responses. Eg: Obama. [1] http://www.cnn.com/videos/politics/2016/03/12/donald-trump-rally-violence-vstan-orig-cws.cnn http://www.cnn.com/videos/politics/2016/03/12/donald-trump-r...
- internaut 10y ago
  > Sure, what is required is for the constituency to actually be inclusive of those not in the in-group. That does not make sense. Seriously how is this not doublethink? There exist no political groups representing interests outside of the political group, it is a straight contradiction in terms. > Examples like [1], combined with a lack of interest by the candidate or his followers in correcting the situation make historical analogies seem prescient. These characters and the things they say are the obsessions of the media and I don't share their enthusiasm. Nothing they say or do in ten, twenty years has any substance. It is demotic theatrics that distract us from anything that actually matters. Like how we're continuing to plateau economically or the dire need of our government institutions to be reformed.
ZeroGravitas 10y ago
Young white single males will almost certainly get older, might get married, have kids, grandkids etc. possibly expanding their extended family tree across several ethnic communities over the generations. So I'd say that if a movement truly only caters to the young white single male while he remains in that state, rather than planning and providing for his future, then yes, it probably is inescapably and dangerously proto-fascistic.
- internaut 10y ago
  That makes it sound like something from physics. Get enough of these atoms together, add water, and BANG: a chain reaction that irrevocably leads to instant Hitler. My own experience is that a tiny number of people (usually sporting neck tattoos) support fascism. Young white males have all sorts of opinions. Find any working men's club anywhere in the West and drop in for a spot of anthropology. > So I'd say that if a movement truly only caters to the young white single male while he remains in that state, rather than planning and providing for his future, This is all very high brow and most rightists don't think like this at all. 'Movement'? That is a leftist thing. Rightists don't go around protesting, almost never. The association ought to prepare a path or plot a future? Propositions straight from the mothership. Hardly anybody right wing thinks like this. Most will drop in and out of different organizations depending on whether we're obsessed with this time. The nearest collection of young white males and a copy of Mein Kamph is the public library. It is worth considering the possibility that each century has different political ideologies. In the 20th century we got an earful of communism and fascism. The 21st century could contain something different, just as the 19th century didn't have much of a parallel to the 20th. Personally I hope for an intersection between extreme rightism and ecology by way of the Hunger Games. Something new! But different!

ZG, is it actually possible to represent that demographic segment you mentioned: young, white, male, without it being called dangerously proto-fascist or extremist?

r00fus 10y ago

Sure, what is required is for the constituency to actually be inclusive of those not in the in-group. Examples like [1], combined with a lack of interest by the candidate or his followers in correcting the situation make historical analogies seem prescient. Compare/contrast with other candidates' responses. Eg: Obama. [1] http://www.cnn.com/videos/politics/2016/03/12/donald-trump-rally-violence-vstan-orig-cws.cnn http://www.cnn.com/videos/politics/2016/03/12/donald-trump-r...

internaut 10y ago
> Sure, what is required is for the constituency to actually be inclusive of those not in the in-group. That does not make sense. Seriously how is this not doublethink? There exist no political groups representing interests outside of the political group, it is a straight contradiction in terms. > Examples like [1], combined with a lack of interest by the candidate or his followers in correcting the situation make historical analogies seem prescient. These characters and the things they say are the obsessions of the media and I don't share their enthusiasm. Nothing they say or do in ten, twenty years has any substance. It is demotic theatrics that distract us from anything that actually matters. Like how we're continuing to plateau economically or the dire need of our government institutions to be reformed.

ZeroGravitas 10y ago

Young white single males will almost certainly get older, might get married, have kids, grandkids etc. possibly expanding their extended family tree across several ethnic communities over the generations. So I'd say that if a movement truly only caters to the young white single male while he remains in that state, rather than planning and providing for his future, then yes, it probably is inescapably and dangerously proto-fascistic.

internaut 10y ago
That makes it sound like something from physics. Get enough of these atoms together, add water, and BANG: a chain reaction that irrevocably leads to instant Hitler. My own experience is that a tiny number of people (usually sporting neck tattoos) support fascism. Young white males have all sorts of opinions. Find any working men's club anywhere in the West and drop in for a spot of anthropology. > So I'd say that if a movement truly only caters to the young white single male while he remains in that state, rather than planning and providing for his future, This is all very high brow and most rightists don't think like this at all. 'Movement'? That is a leftist thing. Rightists don't go around protesting, almost never. The association ought to prepare a path or plot a future? Propositions straight from the mothership. Hardly anybody right wing thinks like this. Most will drop in and out of different organizations depending on whether we're obsessed with this time. The nearest collection of young white males and a copy of Mein Kamph is the public library. It is worth considering the possibility that each century has different political ideologies. In the 20th century we got an earful of communism and fascism. The 21st century could contain something different, just as the 19th century didn't have much of a parallel to the 20th. Personally I hope for an intersection between extreme rightism and ecology by way of the Hunger Games. Something new! But different!