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It's not just to 'limit immigration'. It was also to no remove the decidedly unneeded layer of unchecked lawmakers who at any time can run wild and criminalize

It's not just to 'limit immigration'. It was also to no remove the decidedly unneeded layer of unchecked lawmakers who at any time can run wild and criminalize UK citizens, who then have no recourse. Given that the UK economy is doing well, what is there to talk about? Most people are relieved to have that monkey off their back.

tfgg 10y ago
> ... unchecked lawmakers who at any time can run wild and criminalize UK citizens ... Assuming you're referring to the EU Parliament, the EU has little say in UK criminal law -- as opposed to various cooperation agreements and bits of harmonizing how criminal justice is carried out. https://fullfact.org/europe/what-would-brexit-mean-criminal-justice/ https://fullfact.org/europe/what-would-brexit-mean-criminal-...
joshvm 10y ago
Those unchecked lawmakers were also responsible for a level of governmental oversight which is unprecedented anywhere else in the world. That's not a bad thing at all, but you can't sell Remain to an electorate by saying "The EU stops us doing stupid stuff to you". That monkey was responsible for a huge number of regulations which benefit EU citizens, again, because it forces the government to take action that they would otherwise be too unwilling or lazy to take.
- rayiner 10y ago
  The U.K. already had plenty of government oversight. Why on earth does it need even more from bureaucrats in other countries?
  - tim333 10y ago
    A lot of it relates to trade so we could have the single market. If you're going to have a border free market where you can order your ingredients from any country you need them to be made to the same regulations.
  - joshvm 10y ago
    Oversight by whom? I agree that the UK government can be held accountable by the public, probably more so than many countries. However if the government agrees to pass a stupid law, there's very little the public can do about it. Can you provide a specific example of something that you think has been over-regulated by the EU? https://fullfact.org/europe/eu-facts-behind-claims-uk-influence/ https://fullfact.org/europe/eu-facts-behind-claims-uk-influe... (I'll take the downvote to mean that you don't have an example?)
    - kalleboo 10y ago
      > Can you provide a specific example of something that you think has been over-regulated by the EU? I recall Leavers on Facebook looking forward repealing stifling EU legislation restricting higher-wattage toasters and vacuum cleaners

tfgg 10y ago

> ... unchecked lawmakers who at any time can run wild and criminalize UK citizens ... Assuming you're referring to the EU Parliament, the EU has little say in UK criminal law -- as opposed to various cooperation agreements and bits of harmonizing how criminal justice is carried out. https://fullfact.org/europe/what-would-brexit-mean-criminal-justice/ https://fullfact.org/europe/what-would-brexit-mean-criminal-...

joshvm 10y ago

Those unchecked lawmakers were also responsible for a level of governmental oversight which is unprecedented anywhere else in the world. That's not a bad thing at all, but you can't sell Remain to an electorate by saying "The EU stops us doing stupid stuff to you". That monkey was responsible for a huge number of regulations which benefit EU citizens, again, because it forces the government to take action that they would otherwise be too unwilling or lazy to take.

rayiner 10y ago
The U.K. already had plenty of government oversight. Why on earth does it need even more from bureaucrats in other countries?
- tim333 10y ago
  A lot of it relates to trade so we could have the single market. If you're going to have a border free market where you can order your ingredients from any country you need them to be made to the same regulations.
- joshvm 10y ago
  Oversight by whom? I agree that the UK government can be held accountable by the public, probably more so than many countries. However if the government agrees to pass a stupid law, there's very little the public can do about it. Can you provide a specific example of something that you think has been over-regulated by the EU? https://fullfact.org/europe/eu-facts-behind-claims-uk-influence/ https://fullfact.org/europe/eu-facts-behind-claims-uk-influe... (I'll take the downvote to mean that you don't have an example?)
  - kalleboo 10y ago
    > Can you provide a specific example of something that you think has been over-regulated by the EU? I recall Leavers on Facebook looking forward repealing stifling EU legislation restricting higher-wattage toasters and vacuum cleaners