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And yet some people (mostly homeless and addicts) find a way to drink it anyway, with such strange methods like filtering through bread crusts. I totally don't

by mamon 10y ago

And yet some people (mostly homeless and addicts) find a way to drink it anyway, with such strange methods like filtering through bread crusts. I totally don't understand why article tries to blame government for all those deaths when it was clearly mob trying to make money.

meddlepal 10y ago
Does the bread filtering thing actually work? I just don't see how that could possibly work...
- aaron695 10y ago
  Burnt bread, AKA charcoal. It just reduces the bad taste, still tastes pretty bad.
hyperpape 10y ago
If you take an action and know that there is a direct consequence that will kill people who have not done anything that could justify death (i.e. almost anything short of murder), you can't ignore that consequence. The only way to justify it is to say that for some reason, not acting would be unacceptable. And that is a high bar to clear, one that is obviously not met by the prohibition policy.
- vintermann 10y ago
  But it's not a direct consequence, that's the point. It's an indirect one, completely dependent on other people trying to renature it and drink it - ignoring warning labels like this one: http://www.gettyimages.co.uk/detail/news-photo/warning-label-from-a-pharmacy-bottle-of-denatured-alcohol-news-photo/146438213 http://www.gettyimages.co.uk/detail/news-photo/warning-label...
  - hyperpape 10y ago
    I should have avoided the word 'direct', because of that potential for confusion. What I meant is predictable.
    - vintermann 10y ago
      But there's a big difference between consequences that are predictable because of nature (i.e. if I kick this rock it will hurt) and consequences that are predictable because of people's decisions. The redistillers' resolve to keep selling even if they couldn't renature their product and it would be deadly - should that be treated the same as a force of nature? When should people's decisions be treated as a fact we just have to adapt to? In my experience, people mostly want their own decisions, or the decisions of the people they agree with, to be treated as facts of nature. But the decisions of people they disagree with, they want to treat as their own free decisions.

by mamon 10y ago

meddlepal 10y ago

Does the bread filtering thing actually work? I just don't see how that could possibly work...

aaron695 10y ago
Burnt bread, AKA charcoal. It just reduces the bad taste, still tastes pretty bad.

hyperpape 10y ago

If you take an action and know that there is a direct consequence that will kill people who have not done anything that could justify death (i.e. almost anything short of murder), you can't ignore that consequence. The only way to justify it is to say that for some reason, not acting would be unacceptable. And that is a high bar to clear, one that is obviously not met by the prohibition policy.

vintermann 10y ago
But it's not a direct consequence, that's the point. It's an indirect one, completely dependent on other people trying to renature it and drink it - ignoring warning labels like this one: http://www.gettyimages.co.uk/detail/news-photo/warning-label-from-a-pharmacy-bottle-of-denatured-alcohol-news-photo/146438213 http://www.gettyimages.co.uk/detail/news-photo/warning-label...
- hyperpape 10y ago
  I should have avoided the word 'direct', because of that potential for confusion. What I meant is predictable.
  - vintermann 10y ago
    But there's a big difference between consequences that are predictable because of nature (i.e. if I kick this rock it will hurt) and consequences that are predictable because of people's decisions. The redistillers' resolve to keep selling even if they couldn't renature their product and it would be deadly - should that be treated the same as a force of nature? When should people's decisions be treated as a fact we just have to adapt to? In my experience, people mostly want their own decisions, or the decisions of the people they agree with, to be treated as facts of nature. But the decisions of people they disagree with, they want to treat as their own free decisions.