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Edward Snowden’s Long, Strange Journey to Hollywood

53 points by sndean 10y ago

dmfdmf 10y ago
I wish he was in Hollywood.
- strictnein 10y ago
  Does Hollywood have a prison?
  - miend 10y ago
    Bonus if it has solitary confinement facilities and staff trained in modern torture techniques.
meeper16 10y ago
Watch the giddiness.
tanderson92 10y ago
It's remarkable to me the certitude with which the NYT commenters state that Snowden is a traitor. The trust they place in the Intelligence Community that he compromised national security. This despite the proof that in at least one other case, that of Chelsea Manning, the IC lied. This was confirmed yesterday, with the release of Clinton's FBI report[1]. [1]: http://www.vocativ.com/356350/fbi-clinton-spent-long-hours-insisting-manning-leaks-werent-a-threat/ http://www.vocativ.com/356350/fbi-clinton-spent-long-hours-i...
- eli 10y ago
  Traitor is obviously a loaded term, but Snowden surely broke the law and then fled the consequences. Maybe you think it's a bad law and he had good reasons, but it's not unreasonable for people to believe he should be in jail.
  - tanderson92 10y ago
    Actually, traitor is not at all a loaded term. It has a precise meaning as found in Article III of the Constitution: > Treason against the United States, shall consist only in levying war against them, or in adhering to their enemies, giving them aid and comfort. No person shall be convicted of treason unless on the testimony of two witnesses to the same overt act, or on confession in open court.
    - dvt 10y ago
      It's a loaded term because it's at best unclear if Snowden truly had the mens rea (legal experts go back and forth on this). Specifically, whether or not his intent was to aid the US' enemies.
      - tanderson92 10y ago
        To me, mens rea is the entirety of the act of treason. Otherwise, many citizens' individual actions hurt US interests vs our "enemies". That aside, that I still don't see how that implies it is loaded. (by the way, I never objected to people believing he should serve jail time as the GP suggested; my comment concerned the certainty that he was a traitor)
        dvt 10y ago
        Maybe I misunderstood, but my point is that "treason" is a loaded term because we're not really sure if what he did was treasonous or not. As mentioned, treason needs an "intent to aid enemies" which we're not sure if Snowden had -- experts go back and forth on this. So people just say "treason" to be inflammatory. He definitely broke the law and should probably be in jail, but treason is another ballgame altogether.
    - sparky1990 10y ago
      Snowden is not a US citizen, so "traitor" doesn't even apply.
- strictnein 10y ago
  He just celebrated his 30th birthday at the Russian consulate in Hong Kong, and then hung out there for a couple of days until they brought him to the airport for his flight to Moscow, but he's totes on the up-and-up and a hero.
tracker1 10y ago
For those interested, it looks like some theaters are selling advanced seating for September 15th and the following weekend. In my case AMC's Esplanade theater in Phoenix. It may be worth a quick google search to see what theaters in your area are showing in case you want to catch it that first weekend.
ethanhunt_ 10y ago
The NYT is doing hit pieces on wikileaks and friends, and this is part of that (the previous one was: http://www.nytimes.com/2016/09/01/world/europe/wikileaks-julian-assange-russia.html http://www.nytimes.com/2016/09/01/world/europe/wikileaks-jul...). The NYT operates in coordination with the U.S. government (c.f. DNC email leaks that show them coordinating a Bernie article with the DNC). It is helpful to consider them as the U.S.'s own state owned media (c.f. Chomsky), and these its press releases. Read them, but be skeptical. Their likely is something very big coming from wikileaks in the next few weeks. The political elites in Washington have been working hard to discredit wikileaks.
- nullc 10y ago
  I was fortunate enough to get to see an early screening of Snowden. I thought it was great-- following the facts, but telling a compelling and human story. Some of the people I saw it with People that found themselves wondering why they should care about Snowden and the programs he disclosed will find their answer in this movie. I expected to see a full on campaign against it, this NYT piece is mild. It spins up some conspiracy with russian involvement, yawn but even it can't to deny: The movie is good. It's riveting-- just as a movie-- and the subject matter is of importance to all of us. I can't see anyone being bored by it, and I think even the most hard core of the tech people will forgive the one or two "movie-computers" moments in it. :) It's opening a couple days before its full release (the 16th?) at something like 800 theaters (on the 14th? I believe). I would recommend going to see it on the 14.

53 points by sndean 10y ago

dmfdmf 10y ago

I wish he was in Hollywood.

strictnein 10y ago
Does Hollywood have a prison?
- miend 10y ago
  Bonus if it has solitary confinement facilities and staff trained in modern torture techniques.

meeper16 10y ago

Watch the giddiness.

tanderson92 10y ago

It's remarkable to me the certitude with which the NYT commenters state that Snowden is a traitor. The trust they place in the Intelligence Community that he compromised national security. This despite the proof that in at least one other case, that of Chelsea Manning, the IC lied. This was confirmed yesterday, with the release of Clinton's FBI report[1]. [1]: http://www.vocativ.com/356350/fbi-clinton-spent-long-hours-insisting-manning-leaks-werent-a-threat/ http://www.vocativ.com/356350/fbi-clinton-spent-long-hours-i...

eli 10y ago
Traitor is obviously a loaded term, but Snowden surely broke the law and then fled the consequences. Maybe you think it's a bad law and he had good reasons, but it's not unreasonable for people to believe he should be in jail.
- tanderson92 10y ago
  Actually, traitor is not at all a loaded term. It has a precise meaning as found in Article III of the Constitution: > Treason against the United States, shall consist only in levying war against them, or in adhering to their enemies, giving them aid and comfort. No person shall be convicted of treason unless on the testimony of two witnesses to the same overt act, or on confession in open court.
  - dvt 10y ago
    It's a loaded term because it's at best unclear if Snowden truly had the mens rea (legal experts go back and forth on this). Specifically, whether or not his intent was to aid the US' enemies.
    - tanderson92 10y ago
      To me, mens rea is the entirety of the act of treason. Otherwise, many citizens' individual actions hurt US interests vs our "enemies". That aside, that I still don't see how that implies it is loaded. (by the way, I never objected to people believing he should serve jail time as the GP suggested; my comment concerned the certainty that he was a traitor)
      - dvt 10y ago
        Maybe I misunderstood, but my point is that "treason" is a loaded term because we're not really sure if what he did was treasonous or not. As mentioned, treason needs an "intent to aid enemies" which we're not sure if Snowden had -- experts go back and forth on this. So people just say "treason" to be inflammatory. He definitely broke the law and should probably be in jail, but treason is another ballgame altogether.
  - sparky1990 10y ago
    Snowden is not a US citizen, so "traitor" doesn't even apply.
strictnein 10y ago
He just celebrated his 30th birthday at the Russian consulate in Hong Kong, and then hung out there for a couple of days until they brought him to the airport for his flight to Moscow, but he's totes on the up-and-up and a hero.

tracker1 10y ago

For those interested, it looks like some theaters are selling advanced seating for September 15th and the following weekend. In my case AMC's Esplanade theater in Phoenix. It may be worth a quick google search to see what theaters in your area are showing in case you want to catch it that first weekend.

ethanhunt_ 10y ago

The NYT is doing hit pieces on wikileaks and friends, and this is part of that (the previous one was: http://www.nytimes.com/2016/09/01/world/europe/wikileaks-julian-assange-russia.html http://www.nytimes.com/2016/09/01/world/europe/wikileaks-jul...). The NYT operates in coordination with the U.S. government (c.f. DNC email leaks that show them coordinating a Bernie article with the DNC). It is helpful to consider them as the U.S.'s own state owned media (c.f. Chomsky), and these its press releases. Read them, but be skeptical. Their likely is something very big coming from wikileaks in the next few weeks. The political elites in Washington have been working hard to discredit wikileaks.

nullc 10y ago
I was fortunate enough to get to see an early screening of Snowden. I thought it was great-- following the facts, but telling a compelling and human story. Some of the people I saw it with People that found themselves wondering why they should care about Snowden and the programs he disclosed will find their answer in this movie. I expected to see a full on campaign against it, this NYT piece is mild. It spins up some conspiracy with russian involvement, yawn but even it can't to deny: The movie is good. It's riveting-- just as a movie-- and the subject matter is of importance to all of us. I can't see anyone being bored by it, and I think even the most hard core of the tech people will forgive the one or two "movie-computers" moments in it. :) It's opening a couple days before its full release (the 16th?) at something like 800 theaters (on the 14th? I believe). I would recommend going to see it on the 14.