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You have to admit those are very, very odd/unlucky cases. By those standards, riding a bike on the street is a "super dangerous" sport.. (I could tell you 10+

You have to admit those are very, very odd/unlucky cases. By those standards, riding a bike on the street is a "super dangerous" sport.. (I could tell you 10+ stories about odd/unlucky bike accidents)

dahart 10y ago
I already did admit they were unlikely, twice. And yet, these 'unlikely' things happened multiple times, and nearly every skydiver I've ever known personally has died skydiving over the years. While specific circumstances might seem unlikely, it turns out that choosing high speed falling as an activity puts you in a position to get hurt more often than choosing not to, and that furthermore if you choose to do it very close to the ground in a wingsuit, the likelihood of severe accidents increases even further. This is not a surprise, nor is it some kind of agenda or spin on the facts, it's a simple truth. Riding a bike on the street is somewhat dangerous, that's demonstrably true. Not nearly as dangerous per hour of activity skydiving, and far less likely to result in death if you have an accident, but by your own admission of tens of accident stories, bike riding has considerable risks, right? Mountain biking is a lot more dangerous than casual riding in the street, and I've gotten far more injured mountain biking than I ever did skydiving. But, I don't know anyone who's died mountain biking, and statistics prove that biking is overall less dangerous that skydiving, so I wouldn't put biking in the same danger category as skydiving. I would (and do) describe mountain biking as "super dangerous" to people just learning for the first time. But if I talked about skydiving with those same people I'd call skydiving "extremely dangerous" to differentiate it. Look, it's a subjective matter of opinion whether you summarize skydiving or any other sport as safe or dangerous relative to something else. Jumping on a trampoline, it turns out, is pretty damn dangerous, enough that the American Academy of Pediatrics recommends an outright ban on them. So, what, exactly, is your objection? What do you want to have happen here? I'm fine with you calling it safe while I call it dangerous. Both are true, depending on what you compare it to. Is that unacceptable to you?

dahart 10y ago

I already did admit they were unlikely, twice. And yet, these 'unlikely' things happened multiple times, and nearly every skydiver I've ever known personally has died skydiving over the years. While specific circumstances might seem unlikely, it turns out that choosing high speed falling as an activity puts you in a position to get hurt more often than choosing not to, and that furthermore if you choose to do it very close to the ground in a wingsuit, the likelihood of severe accidents increases even further. This is not a surprise, nor is it some kind of agenda or spin on the facts, it's a simple truth. Riding a bike on the street is somewhat dangerous, that's demonstrably true. Not nearly as dangerous per hour of activity skydiving, and far less likely to result in death if you have an accident, but by your own admission of tens of accident stories, bike riding has considerable risks, right? Mountain biking is a lot more dangerous than casual riding in the street, and I've gotten far more injured mountain biking than I ever did skydiving. But, I don't know anyone who's died mountain biking, and statistics prove that biking is overall less dangerous that skydiving, so I wouldn't put biking in the same danger category as skydiving. I would (and do) describe mountain biking as "super dangerous" to people just learning for the first time. But if I talked about skydiving with those same people I'd call skydiving "extremely dangerous" to differentiate it. Look, it's a subjective matter of opinion whether you summarize skydiving or any other sport as safe or dangerous relative to something else. Jumping on a trampoline, it turns out, is pretty damn dangerous, enough that the American Academy of Pediatrics recommends an outright ban on them. So, what, exactly, is your objection? What do you want to have happen here? I'm fine with you calling it safe while I call it dangerous. Both are true, depending on what you compare it to. Is that unacceptable to you?