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The use of force to round up large groups of people is a terrifying thing, and it's absolutely something the Nazis did.

by panic 10y ago

dilemma 10y ago
Franklin D. Roosevelt rounded up those of Japanese descent and put them in internment camps. Dwight Eisenhower and John F. Kennedy invaded, proceeded to rounded and murder and otherwise caused the death of up to 3.1 million Vietnamese in the Vietnamese Resistance War against America. Roosevelt, Eisenhower, and Kennedy are literally Hitler.
- lisper 10y ago
  > Roosevelt, Eisenhower, and Kennedy are literally Hitler. Clearly not. But neither are they the unambiguously virtuous "good guys" that Americans like to imagine that they are. Let's stop taking everything to extremes. Will a Trump presidency lead to mass executions of civilians in gas chambers? Probably not. Will it lead to innocent people -- mainly Muslims and people with dark skin -- being deported, separated from their families, tortured, and killed? Very likely. Trump has explicitly promised to do all of these things, and I see no reason to doubt him on this. Do I think it will happen to me? Probably not, but that's only because I'm a rich white guy. But I take little comfort from that because once xenophobia takes root it tends to grow like kudzu. I'm a rich white guy, but I'm also Jewish, so there are absolutely some Trump supporters who would like to see me go back to where I came from along with the Muslims, the Mexicans, and the niggers. The best way to keep those people out of power is to keep Trump out of power. And if pointing out the parallels between Trump and Hitler helps to do that then Godwin be damned. Sometimes the Nazi shoe fits. [UPDATE:] FWIW, it's not just me making this argument: http://www.alternet.org/election-2016/trumps-mass-deportation-machine-would-create-american-police-state-equal-nazi-germany http://www.alternet.org/election-2016/trumps-mass-deportatio...
epicureanideal 10y ago
So for example, the Mexican Army being used to round up hundreds of drug cartel members makes them equivalent to the SS then? Rounding up large groups of people is not a sufficient condition for being equivalent to Hitler.

The use of force to round up large groups of people is a terrifying thing, and it's absolutely something the Nazis did.

by panic 10y ago

The use of force to round up large groups of people is a terrifying thing, and it's absolutely something the Nazis did.

Franklin D. Roosevelt rounded up those of Japanese descent and put them in internment camps. Dwight Eisenhower and John F. Kennedy invaded, proceeded to rounded and murder and otherwise caused the death of up to 3.1 million Vietnamese in the Vietnamese Resistance War against America. Roosevelt, Eisenhower, and Kennedy are literally Hitler.

lisper 10y ago
> Roosevelt, Eisenhower, and Kennedy are literally Hitler. Clearly not. But neither are they the unambiguously virtuous "good guys" that Americans like to imagine that they are. Let's stop taking everything to extremes. Will a Trump presidency lead to mass executions of civilians in gas chambers? Probably not. Will it lead to innocent people -- mainly Muslims and people with dark skin -- being deported, separated from their families, tortured, and killed? Very likely. Trump has explicitly promised to do all of these things, and I see no reason to doubt him on this. Do I think it will happen to me? Probably not, but that's only because I'm a rich white guy. But I take little comfort from that because once xenophobia takes root it tends to grow like kudzu. I'm a rich white guy, but I'm also Jewish, so there are absolutely some Trump supporters who would like to see me go back to where I came from along with the Muslims, the Mexicans, and the niggers. The best way to keep those people out of power is to keep Trump out of power. And if pointing out the parallels between Trump and Hitler helps to do that then Godwin be damned. Sometimes the Nazi shoe fits. [UPDATE:] FWIW, it's not just me making this argument: http://www.alternet.org/election-2016/trumps-mass-deportation-machine-would-create-american-police-state-equal-nazi-germany http://www.alternet.org/election-2016/trumps-mass-deportatio...

epicureanideal 10y ago

So for example, the Mexican Army being used to round up hundreds of drug cartel members makes them equivalent to the SS then? Rounding up large groups of people is not a sufficient condition for being equivalent to Hitler.