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The two stories doesn't match. It was a decision of the girls ( or their father ) [1] not to be naturalized. They could've just did the swim with the boys and

The two stories doesn't match. It was a decision of the girls ( or their father ) [1] not to be naturalized. They could've just did the swim with the boys and they would've got their citizenship. On the other hand my friend had NO CHOICE in her 24 year stay in the U.S. to get a citizenship ( although she followed all the rules / laws of the country ). [1] http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/europe/switzerland-citizenship-muslim-girls-refuse-swim-boys-islam-immigration-europe-a7111601.html http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/europe/switzerland-c...

jacquesm 10y ago
If you think underage muslim girls are normally going to go against the wishes of their father then you clearly don't know much about the kind of patriarchy they are exposed to. Fathers word > law.
- drinchev 10y ago
  Child education comes from 1) parents & 2) society. (1) should not exclude (2) and vice versa. If the patriarchy family understood the idea of education better, maybe they would've thought their children that the law > father word. If they do understand that idea, but don't like it. Well they should vote on their next election for someone that doesn't support it. What they should not do is go against the law and do something on their own. Because that's what makes us all citizens.
- dragandj 10y ago
  Maybe in Middle East. Not in Switzerland.
  - jacquesm 10y ago
    You'd think so but in plenty of those households when you cross the threshold you might as well be in the middle east. I've had plenty of contact with Muslim families living in the West and the range is very wide, given that these girls were not allowed to swim with the boys it isn't a wild guess at all that their family is on the traditional side of the spectrum.
    - dragandj 10y ago
      I know. I meant: maybe that is acceptable in Middle East, but it is not acceptable in Switzerland.
PhasmaFelis 10y ago
The connection is that these girls and your friend were both denied citizenship over some petty bullshit that doesn't matter, motivated by xenophobia.

jacquesm 10y ago

If you think underage muslim girls are normally going to go against the wishes of their father then you clearly don't know much about the kind of patriarchy they are exposed to. Fathers word > law.

drinchev 10y ago
Child education comes from 1) parents & 2) society. (1) should not exclude (2) and vice versa. If the patriarchy family understood the idea of education better, maybe they would've thought their children that the law > father word. If they do understand that idea, but don't like it. Well they should vote on their next election for someone that doesn't support it. What they should not do is go against the law and do something on their own. Because that's what makes us all citizens.
dragandj 10y ago
Maybe in Middle East. Not in Switzerland.
- jacquesm 10y ago
  You'd think so but in plenty of those households when you cross the threshold you might as well be in the middle east. I've had plenty of contact with Muslim families living in the West and the range is very wide, given that these girls were not allowed to swim with the boys it isn't a wild guess at all that their family is on the traditional side of the spectrum.
  - dragandj 10y ago
    I know. I meant: maybe that is acceptable in Middle East, but it is not acceptable in Switzerland.

PhasmaFelis 10y ago

The connection is that these girls and your friend were both denied citizenship over some petty bullshit that doesn't matter, motivated by xenophobia.