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Heavy handed enforcement? If we had that we would not have 12m people here illegally. Wanting to keep national character is respecting culture. Switzerland is

by bruceb 10y ago

Heavy handed enforcement? If we had that we would not have 12m people here illegally. Wanting to keep national character is respecting culture. Switzerland is right to defend equality

PhasmaFelis 10y ago
So, in your mind, "defending equality" means deporting people who don't respect the sanctity of swim class.
- dragandj 10y ago
  Assuming that the story you've told actually happened. Yeah, two kids in a school didn't want to enter the pool, and they've sent them packing back to (where?) because of that. Have I understood well what you described?
  - PhasmaFelis 10y ago
    Do you not follow the news? It was all over a few months ago. Here: https://www.google.com/search?q=muslim+girls+denied+citizenship+because+of+swimming+lessons&oq=muslim+girls+denied+citizenship+because+of+swimming+lessons&gs_l=serp.3...8313.9814.0.10006.12.12.0.0.0.0.132.765.5j3.8.0....0...1.1.64.serp..4.0.0.r-pP2pez1jA https://www.google.com/search?q=muslim+girls+denied+citizens... As of the story breaking at the end of June, they had not yet been expelled from Switzerland, but we both know what "denied citizenship" means.
    - dragandj 10y ago
      Yes, I follow the news, and they are not the same as what you described. By the Swiss law, any aspirant for the Swiss citizenship has to show (among other things) that he/she is integrated into Swiss culture and society. The immigrant family clearly does not want to accept that, so they did not get citizenship. No right has been denied to them: they are still in Switzerland, and are free people who can do whatever they like, and, what's more, are allowed to fully practice their religion, which I understood is most important to them. So, TL;DR: a family, actively, defiantly, on purpose, failed one of citizenship tests and were not granted citizenship. Citizenship is not something that guests are entitled to. It's practically an award by the host. Mind you, I am not a Swiss, nor US citizen, nor an EU citizen. I would like to be, since it would benefit my situation considerably, but I was born in another country. So, why any of these countries would be obligated to grant me their citizenship?

by bruceb 10y ago

Heavy handed enforcement? If we had that we would not have 12m people here illegally. Wanting to keep national character is respecting culture. Switzerland is right to defend equality

PhasmaFelis 10y ago

So, in your mind, "defending equality" means deporting people who don't respect the sanctity of swim class.

dragandj 10y ago
Assuming that the story you've told actually happened. Yeah, two kids in a school didn't want to enter the pool, and they've sent them packing back to (where?) because of that. Have I understood well what you described?
- PhasmaFelis 10y ago
  Do you not follow the news? It was all over a few months ago. Here: https://www.google.com/search?q=muslim+girls+denied+citizenship+because+of+swimming+lessons&oq=muslim+girls+denied+citizenship+because+of+swimming+lessons&gs_l=serp.3...8313.9814.0.10006.12.12.0.0.0.0.132.765.5j3.8.0....0...1.1.64.serp..4.0.0.r-pP2pez1jA https://www.google.com/search?q=muslim+girls+denied+citizens... As of the story breaking at the end of June, they had not yet been expelled from Switzerland, but we both know what "denied citizenship" means.
  - dragandj 10y ago
    Yes, I follow the news, and they are not the same as what you described. By the Swiss law, any aspirant for the Swiss citizenship has to show (among other things) that he/she is integrated into Swiss culture and society. The immigrant family clearly does not want to accept that, so they did not get citizenship. No right has been denied to them: they are still in Switzerland, and are free people who can do whatever they like, and, what's more, are allowed to fully practice their religion, which I understood is most important to them. So, TL;DR: a family, actively, defiantly, on purpose, failed one of citizenship tests and were not granted citizenship. Citizenship is not something that guests are entitled to. It's practically an award by the host. Mind you, I am not a Swiss, nor US citizen, nor an EU citizen. I would like to be, since it would benefit my situation considerably, but I was born in another country. So, why any of these countries would be obligated to grant me their citizenship?