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@ivan_gammel, I would like to ask you some questions. To start, I said we don't see links here at HN about renewable energy in Russia because nothing is going

@ivan_gammel, I would like to ask you some questions. To start, I said we don't see links here at HN about renewable energy in Russia because nothing is going on. You replied that lots is, and the reason we don't see stories is because the US and UK media is biased against Russia. But HN also publishes many links on renewable energy from scientific and technology industry sources. Are you saying that they are likewise biased? And how did that come about, like did the Obama administration send out a letter ordering all of them to never publish any such stories, and they all agreed? and none of the writers every published a complaint about this on the internet, even anonymously? And how did the government get them to agree, did it tell them if they didn't go along, they would get a bullet in the head from a CIA agent? And is this ban just for the US, or is it world wide? And when the many experts who are well aware these innumerable Russian renewable energy projects you claim exist complained, what did the editors say? "I'm sorry, but I can't comment on that issue?" And how did the government keep these experts from complaining online, like on their blogs? Did they threaten them too? For those who would like to counter outrageous comments like ivan_gammel's, note what I am doing, namely working out in some detail the practicalities of what would be needed for the claim to be true. It usually then becomes clear it makes no sense. Now for the questions, ivan_gammel. First, when you made your claim, did you first work out the practicalities to see if it made any sense? Second, now that I have done that, do you see how it sounds like a wacky conspiracy theory? Finally, do you now agree that the claim doesn't make sense, and that the real reason we see no links at HN about Russian renewable energy projects is there aren't any, or at least very few? or do you still claim there are lots of these projects, and we don't see them here because of media bias? Oh, and one more thing. The US media claims Putin is pretty awful, and you agree. So how did it come out they got it right on that, but get it all wrong on Russian renewable energy projects?

ivan_gammel 10y ago
Cool story, but I've never been talking about any conspiracy. If something does not appear in media or HN, it does not mean it's not happening. It's just not too sexy to discuss, because there's no way how the imperfect and definitely not exemplary environmental policy of a fading piece of former empire can be interesting to anyone. And its too complicated to explain to readers, why this shadow of grey does matter - it's much easier to paint black and white picture with bad Putin and good "Tolstoevsky". It's hardly normal to write an article criticizing someone without asking for his comment. With your link it's exactly what's happened. It's clearly a bias, but I don't believe in conspiracies and my only explanation is that the topic is uninteresting and journalist is too lazy to get his job properly done. And, unfortunately, this is happening quite often on such dull topics, where media do not do proper fact-checking and align the available information either to black or to white. I don't blame them - readers don't care, but if you care, you have not to rely on single article with a political statement and opinions of few people from opposition. By the way, for some reason you have chosen about "renewable energy projects", but I've not been mentioning them alone (yes, they exist, but not as big as in many other places in the world and HN is not an industrial news bulletin to mention them). Environmentally friendly industrial policy consists not only of them and energy sector is not the only source of emissions.
- woodandsteel 10y ago
  "Tolstovesky"?? Never heard of that word, and Google is no help. Perhaps you could explain what it means. You claim the media is uninterested in energy policy in Russia, but the scientific and technological media is very interested in such things, and HN is read mainly by techno-geeks who are also, and so we have lots and lots of links to articles from such sources.That includes global surveys that include Russia, and tech innovations from countries all over the world. And these stories includes complex nuances and try to be objective. So if anything was actually happening in Russia, you would see it here. But you don't and if this is not due to a conspiracy, then you need to come up with another explanation, and you can't. As to why I am focusing on renewable energy, it is because you yourself linked to a wikipedia article on that very topic that, as I explain below, says very clearly that very little is going on in that area in Russia. As to asking for replies, I ask that partly to make sure I have understood you properly.
  - ivan_gammel 10y ago
    "Tolstoevsky" is the new project of Russian artist Dmitry Vrubel, who now lives in Berlin (and created the most famous his work "My God, Help Me to Survive This Deadly Love" on Berlin Wall), based on surnames of Russian writers Tolstoy and Dostoevsky. I've used this word just as a metaphor of slices of Russian culture known and popular on the West - the White part of picture of Russia, that usually consists of bad rulers and good people. Regarding the media, the lack of news in English is surprising a bit, because I see here and there that something indeed is going on and can confirm it by examples of projects I'm aware of (and likely there are more that I'm not). I can see the simplification bias in general media, which can be explained by lack of interest to post-Soviet Russia (and I've seen publications explaining this with reduced financing of research of Russia in USA - one of the reasons why events in Ukraine were a big surprise for US government). As for scientific and technological media, one of the reasons can be the obscurity of Russian science and inexperience of the government in PR. I cannot find any traces of Buribay solar plant launch in non-Russian or-non solar energy media - how exactly could that happen? I can suggest only that such events and their coverage is not sexy enough for HN/Wired/whatever to be remembered or even discussed. And this project is not small, behind it are very strong businesses like Renova and Rusnano. Can you offer any other explanation beyond "nothing is happening"?

ivan_gammel 10y ago

Cool story, but I've never been talking about any conspiracy. If something does not appear in media or HN, it does not mean it's not happening. It's just not too sexy to discuss, because there's no way how the imperfect and definitely not exemplary environmental policy of a fading piece of former empire can be interesting to anyone. And its too complicated to explain to readers, why this shadow of grey does matter - it's much easier to paint black and white picture with bad Putin and good "Tolstoevsky". It's hardly normal to write an article criticizing someone without asking for his comment. With your link it's exactly what's happened. It's clearly a bias, but I don't believe in conspiracies and my only explanation is that the topic is uninteresting and journalist is too lazy to get his job properly done. And, unfortunately, this is happening quite often on such dull topics, where media do not do proper fact-checking and align the available information either to black or to white. I don't blame them - readers don't care, but if you care, you have not to rely on single article with a political statement and opinions of few people from opposition. By the way, for some reason you have chosen about "renewable energy projects", but I've not been mentioning them alone (yes, they exist, but not as big as in many other places in the world and HN is not an industrial news bulletin to mention them). Environmentally friendly industrial policy consists not only of them and energy sector is not the only source of emissions.

woodandsteel 10y ago
"Tolstovesky"?? Never heard of that word, and Google is no help. Perhaps you could explain what it means. You claim the media is uninterested in energy policy in Russia, but the scientific and technological media is very interested in such things, and HN is read mainly by techno-geeks who are also, and so we have lots and lots of links to articles from such sources.That includes global surveys that include Russia, and tech innovations from countries all over the world. And these stories includes complex nuances and try to be objective. So if anything was actually happening in Russia, you would see it here. But you don't and if this is not due to a conspiracy, then you need to come up with another explanation, and you can't. As to why I am focusing on renewable energy, it is because you yourself linked to a wikipedia article on that very topic that, as I explain below, says very clearly that very little is going on in that area in Russia. As to asking for replies, I ask that partly to make sure I have understood you properly.
- ivan_gammel 10y ago
  "Tolstoevsky" is the new project of Russian artist Dmitry Vrubel, who now lives in Berlin (and created the most famous his work "My God, Help Me to Survive This Deadly Love" on Berlin Wall), based on surnames of Russian writers Tolstoy and Dostoevsky. I've used this word just as a metaphor of slices of Russian culture known and popular on the West - the White part of picture of Russia, that usually consists of bad rulers and good people. Regarding the media, the lack of news in English is surprising a bit, because I see here and there that something indeed is going on and can confirm it by examples of projects I'm aware of (and likely there are more that I'm not). I can see the simplification bias in general media, which can be explained by lack of interest to post-Soviet Russia (and I've seen publications explaining this with reduced financing of research of Russia in USA - one of the reasons why events in Ukraine were a big surprise for US government). As for scientific and technological media, one of the reasons can be the obscurity of Russian science and inexperience of the government in PR. I cannot find any traces of Buribay solar plant launch in non-Russian or-non solar energy media - how exactly could that happen? I can suggest only that such events and their coverage is not sexy enough for HN/Wired/whatever to be remembered or even discussed. And this project is not small, behind it are very strong businesses like Renova and Rusnano. Can you offer any other explanation beyond "nothing is happening"?