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After having used windows 10 for about a year, I feel confident in saying that if you don't want to use Windows 10, it is better to switch to Linux or something

After having used windows 10 for about a year, I feel confident in saying that if you don't want to use Windows 10, it is better to switch to Linux or something else you like, than using clearly inferior versions of windows. Most people want to stick with 7 just because of nostalgia, and it's good that intel is cutting them off.

hobs 10y ago
Well isn't that nice that you have decided that for everyone else. We want to stick with 7 because 8 was atrocious, and 10 doesnt offer enough improvements for the standard user to change the UI in useless ways.
- lsiebert 10y ago
  Meh I would have updated to 10 on my dual boot Window Linux Mint machine, but you need to have the latest updates on windows 7 to be able to even get 10, and even with the generous three days leeway I gave myself to back up, update, and roll back, I couldn't get updates working in time. I really don't see what reason there is to run windows for me, other then gaming, and even then, most of what I want to play I can get on os x or linux.
- SquareWheel 10y ago
  What was wrong with 8? I found the UI a significant improvement, even better than 10. The only qualm I had was the removal of the power button, but that was resolved in the 8.1 update.
  - khedoros 10y ago
    Invisible hotspots to bring up necessary dialogs, settings split into multiple different places that used to be collected in one place, flat UI elements, two conflicting interfaces (tablet UI on a mouse-based device? bleh). Windows 7 fits in with my experience on Windows going back over 20 years. Windows 8 throws that away for something I think is a contradictory mish-mash. Windows 10 doesn't completely clean up the mess, and it adds other things that I don't like. If Microsoft removed the metro UI style, the tile interface, the Windows Store, Cortana, and forced updates (or allowed the user to disable those things), I'd be running Windows 10 now.
    - SquareWheel 10y ago
      >Invisible hotspots to bring up necessary dialogs Oh, I disabled that early on so I forgot about it. The only one of significance was the start menu corner, but that was also remedied in 8.1. >settings split into multiple different places that used to be collected in one place The settings panel is the same as Windows 10. I'd definitely argue against all settings being in one place on 7 though. There's dozens of different locations: control panel, the registry, local/group policy editor, folder options, the "advanced" system settings panel (contains completely unrelated settings such as environmental variables, performance toggles, DEP, and remote assistance). Then there's lots of weird quirky menus like the one you get by entering "control userpasswords2" into the run dialog. I see the new settings panel as a cleaner frontend to the existing settings. Hopefully over time they'll be consolidated there. >flat UI elements I love it. >two conflicting interfaces (tablet UI on a mouse-based device? bleh). I don't see the conflict, but the start screen worked just fine on mouse for me. It took a week to relearn some muscle memory and then I was over it. In the end I found it much more efficient. The targets were larger and it didn't waste a ton of screen space like the current start menu does.
      - khedoros 10y ago
        > Hotspots On my wife's, I remember something about the top-right corner, or along the edge there, and I think it had to do with wifi settings. Those are what I was thinking of. Oh, and swiping away from the lock screen. > Settings All the settings that I actually use are in the control panel. I end up in the registry less than annually, and I've never touched the policy editor, most of the things in the mmc, etc. Things like folder settings aren't what I'd consider OS-wide; it makes sense to have them in Explorer, because that's where they take effect. >dual interfaces Everyone's got their own opinion. It seems like change for the sake of change, to me, and better suited to a tablet UI than a PC one.
- dingo_bat 10y ago
  I haven't decided for anyone. I'm just saying that it's more effective if you vote with your wallet and move to a non Microsoft OS. Otherwise you're harming yourself by using an unsupported OS.
  - wruza 10y ago
    Hahah, and when your goverment makes some things hard for you, you vote with your property and move to another country. Why complaining? Just move, right.
    - dragandj 10y ago
      You won't believe it, but millions of people did exactly this, and are still doing it. US came to existence by immigration.
      - wruza 10y ago
        And traditional EU almost came out of existence by it. I wonder whether your move was great for those who lived there (indians, right) or just destroyed their culture by new unbounded type. This talk may be not very ontopic for HN though, sorry for it.
        dragandj 10y ago
        FYI I have never been in USA.
    - lagadu 10y ago
      As someone who has lived in multiple countries and currently resides in one that I wasn't born in: yes. Yes you do.
OSButler 10y ago
I have a unix based system for work and am using a Windows 10 PC solely for gaming purposes. Win10 makes it incredibly difficult to try and trim down your Windows installation to its bare minimum, so that the disk, cpu, and network activity won't affect your gaming experience. Then there's the forced update system, which allows you to define a time interval where it won't automatically install updates, but it can't be set to more than a 12hs window. It just feels like an OS that thinks it knows what's best for you, but it actually results in an inferior experience compared to the previous versions due to its limited configurability. I haven't played around with the registry and internals that much since Win'95, just because it adds all this unneeded overhead without any option to remove it from within its own settings. Don't get me wrong, it certainly works and I'm getting used to all its new features and changes, but Win10 makes it really hard to optimize it to your specific needs for seemingly unnecessary reasons, so I can understand why people want to stick to their Win7 or even Win8 installs.
- dingo_bat 10y ago
  Rather than fight Microsoft, just ditch windows. That's what I meant. Using years old software which is unsupported is foolish. This sort of behavior leads to IE6. I'm glad Microsoft is ending the cycle here. The people who like 10 will stay, the people who don't (the reasons are definitely valid) should move to Linux or OSX. Why use something that the manufacturer is not ready to support? Vote with your wallet and demand an Ubuntu PC.
  - OSButler 10y ago
    Yes, but that doesn't work if you require Windows, such as for gaming. There's SteamOS, but its support is still limited. If gaming was as universally supported on linux as on Windows, then I'd switch right away, but unfortunately Windows is still its major platform so you need to try and make the best out of its shortcomings, if you're serious about gaming.
- biktor_gj 10y ago
  You're forgetting the tiny little switch that made me loose my nerves so much that I've even started to find a new virtualization platform for all my work servers and substitutes for most of the vms... Windows defender cannot be disabled. Well, you can, but it will turn itself back on, no matter what you tell it to, and it even tells you that in settings. Like, as you don't know what you're doing, we're deciding for you. I mean, if you're going to decide what's best for me,in my machine, why bother making a setting? Then there's all privacy checks auto enabling with each update, though at this point given what they've done with the 'upgrade experience', that was foreseeable...
tdicola 10y ago
Some people have serious and valid concerns with the telemetry collection and 'spying' in Windows 10 vs. earlier versions.
- kristofferR 10y ago
  Sure, but they are only trying to delay the inevitable - they can't stay on an ancient version of the OS forever. They'll have to switch someday. I think upgrading to Windows 10 and blocking the telemetry with something like Spybot’s Anti-Beacon is a better option than getting stuck in the past.
- dingo_bat 10y ago
  I know the reasons are valid. That's why I'm urging people to move to Linux or OSX, that's better than using win 7 which is soon going to go out of support.
wruza 10y ago
>Most people want to stick with 7 just because of nostalgia "There it is generation has grown up". Most people want to stick with 7 because it was last windows. Ugly, inconvenient in comparison with past versions, but still windows. Nostalgia is when you stick with 95-2000.

hobs 10y ago

Well isn't that nice that you have decided that for everyone else. We want to stick with 7 because 8 was atrocious, and 10 doesnt offer enough improvements for the standard user to change the UI in useless ways.

lsiebert 10y ago
Meh I would have updated to 10 on my dual boot Window Linux Mint machine, but you need to have the latest updates on windows 7 to be able to even get 10, and even with the generous three days leeway I gave myself to back up, update, and roll back, I couldn't get updates working in time. I really don't see what reason there is to run windows for me, other then gaming, and even then, most of what I want to play I can get on os x or linux.
SquareWheel 10y ago
What was wrong with 8? I found the UI a significant improvement, even better than 10. The only qualm I had was the removal of the power button, but that was resolved in the 8.1 update.
- khedoros 10y ago
  Invisible hotspots to bring up necessary dialogs, settings split into multiple different places that used to be collected in one place, flat UI elements, two conflicting interfaces (tablet UI on a mouse-based device? bleh). Windows 7 fits in with my experience on Windows going back over 20 years. Windows 8 throws that away for something I think is a contradictory mish-mash. Windows 10 doesn't completely clean up the mess, and it adds other things that I don't like. If Microsoft removed the metro UI style, the tile interface, the Windows Store, Cortana, and forced updates (or allowed the user to disable those things), I'd be running Windows 10 now.
  - SquareWheel 10y ago
    >Invisible hotspots to bring up necessary dialogs Oh, I disabled that early on so I forgot about it. The only one of significance was the start menu corner, but that was also remedied in 8.1. >settings split into multiple different places that used to be collected in one place The settings panel is the same as Windows 10. I'd definitely argue against all settings being in one place on 7 though. There's dozens of different locations: control panel, the registry, local/group policy editor, folder options, the "advanced" system settings panel (contains completely unrelated settings such as environmental variables, performance toggles, DEP, and remote assistance). Then there's lots of weird quirky menus like the one you get by entering "control userpasswords2" into the run dialog. I see the new settings panel as a cleaner frontend to the existing settings. Hopefully over time they'll be consolidated there. >flat UI elements I love it. >two conflicting interfaces (tablet UI on a mouse-based device? bleh). I don't see the conflict, but the start screen worked just fine on mouse for me. It took a week to relearn some muscle memory and then I was over it. In the end I found it much more efficient. The targets were larger and it didn't waste a ton of screen space like the current start menu does.
    - khedoros 10y ago
      > Hotspots On my wife's, I remember something about the top-right corner, or along the edge there, and I think it had to do with wifi settings. Those are what I was thinking of. Oh, and swiping away from the lock screen. > Settings All the settings that I actually use are in the control panel. I end up in the registry less than annually, and I've never touched the policy editor, most of the things in the mmc, etc. Things like folder settings aren't what I'd consider OS-wide; it makes sense to have them in Explorer, because that's where they take effect. >dual interfaces Everyone's got their own opinion. It seems like change for the sake of change, to me, and better suited to a tablet UI than a PC one.
dingo_bat 10y ago
I haven't decided for anyone. I'm just saying that it's more effective if you vote with your wallet and move to a non Microsoft OS. Otherwise you're harming yourself by using an unsupported OS.
- wruza 10y ago
  Hahah, and when your goverment makes some things hard for you, you vote with your property and move to another country. Why complaining? Just move, right.
  - dragandj 10y ago
    You won't believe it, but millions of people did exactly this, and are still doing it. US came to existence by immigration.
    - wruza 10y ago
      And traditional EU almost came out of existence by it. I wonder whether your move was great for those who lived there (indians, right) or just destroyed their culture by new unbounded type. This talk may be not very ontopic for HN though, sorry for it.
      - dragandj 10y ago
        FYI I have never been in USA.
  - lagadu 10y ago
    As someone who has lived in multiple countries and currently resides in one that I wasn't born in: yes. Yes you do.

OSButler 10y ago

I have a unix based system for work and am using a Windows 10 PC solely for gaming purposes. Win10 makes it incredibly difficult to try and trim down your Windows installation to its bare minimum, so that the disk, cpu, and network activity won't affect your gaming experience. Then there's the forced update system, which allows you to define a time interval where it won't automatically install updates, but it can't be set to more than a 12hs window. It just feels like an OS that thinks it knows what's best for you, but it actually results in an inferior experience compared to the previous versions due to its limited configurability. I haven't played around with the registry and internals that much since Win'95, just because it adds all this unneeded overhead without any option to remove it from within its own settings. Don't get me wrong, it certainly works and I'm getting used to all its new features and changes, but Win10 makes it really hard to optimize it to your specific needs for seemingly unnecessary reasons, so I can understand why people want to stick to their Win7 or even Win8 installs.

dingo_bat 10y ago
Rather than fight Microsoft, just ditch windows. That's what I meant. Using years old software which is unsupported is foolish. This sort of behavior leads to IE6. I'm glad Microsoft is ending the cycle here. The people who like 10 will stay, the people who don't (the reasons are definitely valid) should move to Linux or OSX. Why use something that the manufacturer is not ready to support? Vote with your wallet and demand an Ubuntu PC.
- OSButler 10y ago
  Yes, but that doesn't work if you require Windows, such as for gaming. There's SteamOS, but its support is still limited. If gaming was as universally supported on linux as on Windows, then I'd switch right away, but unfortunately Windows is still its major platform so you need to try and make the best out of its shortcomings, if you're serious about gaming.
biktor_gj 10y ago
You're forgetting the tiny little switch that made me loose my nerves so much that I've even started to find a new virtualization platform for all my work servers and substitutes for most of the vms... Windows defender cannot be disabled. Well, you can, but it will turn itself back on, no matter what you tell it to, and it even tells you that in settings. Like, as you don't know what you're doing, we're deciding for you. I mean, if you're going to decide what's best for me,in my machine, why bother making a setting? Then there's all privacy checks auto enabling with each update, though at this point given what they've done with the 'upgrade experience', that was foreseeable...

tdicola 10y ago

Some people have serious and valid concerns with the telemetry collection and 'spying' in Windows 10 vs. earlier versions.

kristofferR 10y ago
Sure, but they are only trying to delay the inevitable - they can't stay on an ancient version of the OS forever. They'll have to switch someday. I think upgrading to Windows 10 and blocking the telemetry with something like Spybot’s Anti-Beacon is a better option than getting stuck in the past.
dingo_bat 10y ago
I know the reasons are valid. That's why I'm urging people to move to Linux or OSX, that's better than using win 7 which is soon going to go out of support.

wruza 10y ago

>Most people want to stick with 7 just because of nostalgia "There it is generation has grown up". Most people want to stick with 7 because it was last windows. Ugly, inconvenient in comparison with past versions, but still windows. Nostalgia is when you stick with 95-2000.