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I've been using mostly windows (7) for the past years, with a sprinkle of linux VMs for running databases and such. Now, when upgrading, I think I'll buy a mac
by gnud 10y ago
I've been using mostly windows (7) for the past years, with a sprinkle of linux VMs for running databases and such.
Now, when upgrading, I think I'll buy a mac. I can't be bothered to deal with this crap any more.
But on the mac side, there's a lot of blocking of non-store apps and general walled garden-ness? Or is this just something I've conjured up in my paranoid mind?
- geoka9 10y agoWhy not get a linux-based system?
- gnud 10y agoI might. I've never been happy with the 'desktop' linux distros. Not the look/feel/functionality, just install/setup issues and the distro version upgrade hassle. I use arch linux for my dev work, but it seems like a chore to use that as a day-to-day system on a laptop. Maybe I'm wrong.
- gens 10y agoJust get an LTS. Like xubuntu or something. It's no use comparing a rolling release to whatever OSX is.
- satysin 10y agoFedora is my choice for desktop Linux. It works great. If GNOME isn't your thing then almost every other DE is available in RPMFusion. Overall I find it nicer to work in Fedora than Ubuntu fwiw.
- Klathmon 10y agoSee, every time I try out fedora, i end up making my system unbootable just by installing packages. I don't know what i'm doing wrong, hell the reason I want to go with fedora is because I work with redhat based systems at work, so it's more familiar, but it just seems so unstable.
- fapjacks 10y agoArch is a chore. It's like half Gentoo and half fascism. Badum-psh! Nah, I like Arch. It's just very opinionated. For my day-to-day development work, and the OS I use for watching cat videos and Facebook, etc, I use Linux Mint (17.3).
- type0 10y ago> and half fascism. I don't like fascism, even half of it. So I don't like Arch, mainly because of the often times toxic community. How good pacman then may be - becomes irrelevant.
- geoka9 10y agoI find Debian Stable rock solid. I spent some time setting it up once many years ago and I'm basically running the same system now (upgrades over the years have been mostly a breeze).
- serge2k 10y agoBecause my time isn't worthless.
- subsection1h 10y agoIf using Linux on the desktop in 2016 is time-consuming for you, that says a lot more about you than it does Linux.
- serge2k 10y agoI only use linux over SSH. By choice. Ubuntu is most polished desktop distro, and it's absolutely horrible, so I don't use linux on a desktop.
- type0 10y agoWhy, it's doesn't take more time to set up than any other system (Windows, Mac OS, whatever), have you possibly started with Gentoo as your first distro?
- camiller 10y agoAbout 2-2.5 months ago I got tired of Windows 10's shenanigans and went full time Linux (Ubuntu MATE) on my personal laptop. Also installed a new SSD so my boot times are less than 15 seconds from cold to ready desktop including entering a password. So far I've been able to figure out everything I need. I may have to do our taxes on my wife's computer, unless the tax software will run under wine. Although I suppose I could run a VM with Win 10 just to do the taxes.
- gvb 10y ago> VM with Win 10 just to do the taxes. That's what I've been doing for quite a few years now (WinXP, then Win7) and it works well. Catching up on Windows updates once a year takes almost as long as doing my taxes. :-O The other alternative is to do your taxes online, but that is a Really Bad Idea IMHO.
- r00fus 10y agoWhy is doing your taxes online so bad?
- gvb 10y agoAn large amount of very sensitive information from a huge number of people is stored "in the cloud" making it a big target for hackers[1]. In addition, the attack surface of a company providing tax services on the internet is huge compared to a powered down VM on a machine that I know is physically secure and (IMHO) well secured against hackers. [1] In a famous apocryphal story, Willie Sutton was asked by reporter Mitch Ohnstad why he robbed banks. According to Ohnstad, he replied, "Because that's where the money is." https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Willie_Sutton#Sutton.27s_law https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Willie_Sutton#Sutton.27s_law
- pmoriarty 10y agoI don't want some company or its employees (or possible people/companies they give/sell/leak information to) to have total knowledge of my finances. Maybe I'm fighting a losing battle, but I still value my privacy.
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- azimuth11 10y agoAs a developer, I would buy a Mac. Everything "just works" on it. Apps are sometimes blocked from the App store (Famous example, Flux perhaps? https://justgetflux.com/ https://justgetflux.com/), but that doesn't mean you can't/shouldn't use them. That said, I'll be checking this out for my Windows 10 rig (for gaming).
- serge2k 10y ago> Everything "just works" on it. Except the maximize button. And scrolling.
- ddalex 10y agoInsert button in VIM. that's why I wiped MacOSX and installed Ubuntu.
- no1youknowz 10y agoNope, they work fine for me. Also, I haven't come across any "blocked" apps. I am unsure of the walled garden some others are referring too!
- WayneBro 10y agoAnd window management. And display management. And file management. And you can only launch one instance of an app at a time. And you have to wait forever for Apple to update your hardware. And they are so, so, so many other problems with macOS. It's laughable how much is broken.
- p10_user 10y agoFlux is blocked now? I installed it last year no problem. Edit I remember now that I didn't install it through the App Store.
- reitanqild 10y agoAs a developer I used Mac for three years and found it utterly broken, especially: * keyboard layout (fn and ctrl was swapped but only on laptop and small wireless, not the fullsize keyboard) and * modifier keys (e.g. no consistent way to jump one word ahead). Some of my colleagues used it and loved it though, and I very much tried to myself but failed utterly.
- ridgeguy 10y agoOn Mac: there's a setting in System Preferences->Security & Privacy that allows you to install and run apps from "Anywhere". It's a walled garden, but the walls aren't as tall on the desktop OS. Yet.
- spost 10y agoAnd it's also worth noting that the default option, "Mac App Store and identified developers" allows you to run apps from anywhere by right-clicking them and choosing "Open".
- greenshackle 10y agoI'd be surprised if OS X doesn't have telemetry ("spying").
- satysin 10y agomacOS has telemetry. The difference is you can actually disable it and it really gets disabled. None of this "the check box is set to disabled but I still see all these network connections from system processes like Cortana still..." type bullshit you get on Windows 10.
- duskwuff 10y agoAnd the OS will specifically ask you whether it's OK to send back telemetry/diagnostics when you first set up the machine. It's not something you have to dig into the settings later to turn off.
- satysin 10y agoIndeed. I am not a massive Apple fan but they deserve credit for how open they are about their diagnostics collection options during initial setup. There don't try and trick the user with "custom settings" like on Windows.
- exadeci 10y agoThey still push you critical updates that can break your computer a well know blogger had his mbp ethernet card "die" and few days later work again he found out that the breaking a repairing were from critical updates pushed without his knowledge.
- craigds 10y agoThe app store is entirely optional. I've had a Mac for years and never used it except to upgrade the OS itself. Using brew (incl. Cask) is all you need for almost everything, and you can always download anything via a browser the old school way.
- jlg23 10y ago> I can't be bothered to deal with this crap any more. As someone who has used windows from 1995 to 1999 and, on my secondary workstation, OSX since 2015: MS is just catching up on what Crapple has been doing for a very long time and thus MS is not as sophisticated when it comes to providing a user friendly experience that comes with telemetry. Install Little Snitch on OSX (app level fw) and you'll have just as many WTF-moments as with Windows 10. > But on the mac side, there's a lot of blocking of non-store apps and general walled garden-ness? Same difference (see above). The question boils down to whether UX is more important than privacy for you. If you favor UX, use OSX, if you favor privacy, use a UNIX with a very strict local FW. For me, the answer is to carry two laptops: A small and cheap apple device for fun and a lenovo thingy (don't dare to call it a laptop) for serious work.
- enraged_camel 10y ago>>Crapple Take this stuff elsewhere please, thanks.
- dTal 10y agoI personally hold that self-righteous comments like these contribute far less to the discussion than people expressing their opinion with the full richness that language can provide.
- enraged_camel 10y agoI personally hold that giving companies silly nicknames is juvenile and belongs on shitholes like Reddit. But hey, to each his own.
- serge2k 10y ago> MS is just catching up on what Crapple Just an FYI, I stopped reading and downvoted when you started with childish name calling.
- jlg23 10y ago
- p10_user 10y agoUsing the brew package manager makes Mac feel like Linux. I've never had a problem installing what I've wanted with it.