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FBI Releases Documents in Hillary Clinton E-Mail Investigation

72 points by uptown 10y ago

gordon_freeman 10y ago
why is this news on site like Hacker News?
- matmann2001 10y ago
  Because this investigation would never have happened if it weren't for a hacker?
- koolba 10y ago
  > why is this news on site like Hacker News? Why not? I'd much rather read and interact with the opinions of the fine people that make up this community on this topic than anywhere else on the interwebs.
  - gordon_freeman 10y ago
    my bad. I simply said thinking it as just another politics related news. Sorry about it. It's too late to delete it now.
- uptown 10y ago
  Because I submitted it.
- josh5555 10y ago
  Because this is a forum for free and open discussion and not an Orwellian "Safe Space".
- taytus 10y ago
  Because nothing happened with Elon Musk today
- bsg75 10y ago
  Maybe for similar reasons you posted this? https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=8651298 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=8651298
exabrial 10y ago
> "Appropriate redactions have been made for classified information or other material exempt from disclosure under FOIA" So, I'm confused. I thought they said she _didn't_ mishandle classified information.
- wyldfire 10y ago
  I can't tell if you're joking or not, so I'll bite: Comey said that they didn't have the elements that normally support a case such as malicious intent or efforts to obstruct the investigation. [his words not mine] Of course, classified information existed on the servers and it stands to reason that the investigation report itself could contain classified material.
  - exabrial 10y ago
    I was joking, and denying the obvious (which you stated). It's just infuriating that an ordinary citizen like myself can get a ticket for speeding, even though my intention was not to harm anyone and I wasn't aware the signs had changed a few miles back. I'm convinced the Clintons, Bushes, Obamas, Kenndedys, etc literally have a different set of laws that apply to them.
    - robbiemitchell 10y ago
      Speeding laws are written such that it is a violation regardless of intent or reason.
      - vonmoltke 10y ago
        So too are the laws on classified information. I would have been in jail months ago had I done what she did. exabrial is correct; there is, and has been for decades, a double standard between what the politicos can get away with and what we GS plebs can do.
        koolba 10y ago
wyldfire 10y ago
> FBI investigation indicated the Tor user logged into ____'s email account and browsed email folders and attachments. When asked during her interview, _____ stated to the FBI she is not familiar with nor has she ever used Tor software. FBI investigation to date was unable to identify the actor(s) responsible for this login or how _____'s login credentials were compromised. Was this info already public? This seems to me that not only did Secretary Clinton use a private email server to mask her activities from public records law but in taking it under her/her staff's responsibility, she effectively leaked state secrets. How in the world does that not make her criminally culpable? EDIT: Sorry for the tangent -- I'm really curious: is this part new or had the press already reported it (or discovered it and decided not to report it?)
- jljljl 10y ago
  I don't think this was reported. However there's a few points in the surrounding context that likely diminishes this as a significant detail: 1) The account belonged to a President (Bill) Clinton staffer, and not to Hillary or someone who worked at State with Hillary. Given the FBIs findings, it seems unlikely any classified information was found in their account. 2) The FBI did not identify any other successful scanning attempts on Clinton's server.
- dietrichepp 10y ago
  I am not a lawyer, but criminal culpability has everything to do with state of mind / mens rea. This is why "murder" is a crime but accidental homicide is not, even though in both cases the same actions might have led to the same consequences. "State secrets" is also one thing, "classified material" is another thing.
  - nommm-nommm 10y ago
    Accidental homicide isn't a crime? I thought that was what involuntary manslaughter was?
    - deleted 10y ago
      [deleted]
tanderson92 10y ago
"In a follow-up FBI interview on May 3, 2016, ____ indicated he had an "oh shit" moment and sometime between March 25-31, 2015 deleted the Clinton archive mailbox from the PRN server and used BleachBit to delete the .PST files he had created on the server system containing Clinton's e-mails."
Mizza 10y ago
Where are the documents? On the vault, I just get: > There are currently no items in this folder.
- diggan 10y ago
  I've linked mirror of the documents here: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=12415174 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=12415174
the_trapper 10y ago
I'm sure it's totally a coincidence that these are being released on the Friday before the Labor Day long weekend.
diggan 10y ago
Also, documents are available here with verifiable hash (in case content changes): Hillary R. Clinton Part 01 of 02 - 1353814-0 - LHM.PDF — PDF document, 2,568 kB (2,629,920 bytes) https://ipfs.io/ipfs/QmePNKoSunyVnbye94tojqt5qhn1WVmmTrEygf9FDxmPDU https://ipfs.io/ipfs/QmePNKoSunyVnbye94tojqt5qhn1WVmmTrEygf9... Hillary R. Clinton Part 02 of 02 - 1353814-0 - HRC 302 -V2.PDF — PDF document, 1,226 kB (1,255,658 bytes) https://ipfs.io/ipfs/QmVfowJwBQ5LJGxMatQ8FiS89RWfyqGE6WbfoGseSt2d1P https://ipfs.io/ipfs/QmVfowJwBQ5LJGxMatQ8FiS89RWfyqGE6WbfoGs...
ljk 10y ago
weird this isn't on the front page even though it's only 5 hours old as of now
lancewiggs 10y ago
You've just landed the job as the second most powerful person in the USA. You work constantly, and rely on 24/7 access to email and messages through your Blackberry (or iPhone/Android now). Your boss has a functional Blackberry. Your predecessor had one too. You are told you can not have a mobile device, but only use a secure computer in a secure location. Your job requires constant travel. Given the setup I'm unsurprised that someone as resourceful as a Secretary of State solved the problem. Running around corporate/government IT departments that say no to everything is a long-standing tradition, and long may it continue. It is how Blackberry and Apple devices got into the hands of these organisations.

72 points by uptown 10y ago

gordon_freeman 10y ago

why is this news on site like Hacker News?

matmann2001 10y ago
Because this investigation would never have happened if it weren't for a hacker?
koolba 10y ago
> why is this news on site like Hacker News? Why not? I'd much rather read and interact with the opinions of the fine people that make up this community on this topic than anywhere else on the interwebs.
- gordon_freeman 10y ago
  my bad. I simply said thinking it as just another politics related news. Sorry about it. It's too late to delete it now.
uptown 10y ago
Because I submitted it.
josh5555 10y ago
Because this is a forum for free and open discussion and not an Orwellian "Safe Space".
taytus 10y ago
Because nothing happened with Elon Musk today
bsg75 10y ago
Maybe for similar reasons you posted this? https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=8651298 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=8651298

exabrial 10y ago

> "Appropriate redactions have been made for classified information or other material exempt from disclosure under FOIA" So, I'm confused. I thought they said she _didn't_ mishandle classified information.

wyldfire 10y ago
I can't tell if you're joking or not, so I'll bite: Comey said that they didn't have the elements that normally support a case such as malicious intent or efforts to obstruct the investigation. [his words not mine] Of course, classified information existed on the servers and it stands to reason that the investigation report itself could contain classified material.
- exabrial 10y ago
  I was joking, and denying the obvious (which you stated). It's just infuriating that an ordinary citizen like myself can get a ticket for speeding, even though my intention was not to harm anyone and I wasn't aware the signs had changed a few miles back. I'm convinced the Clintons, Bushes, Obamas, Kenndedys, etc literally have a different set of laws that apply to them.
  - robbiemitchell 10y ago
    Speeding laws are written such that it is a violation regardless of intent or reason.
    - vonmoltke 10y ago
      So too are the laws on classified information. I would have been in jail months ago had I done what she did. exabrial is correct; there is, and has been for decades, a double standard between what the politicos can get away with and what we GS plebs can do.
      - koolba 10y ago

wyldfire 10y ago

> FBI investigation indicated the Tor user logged into ____'s email account and browsed email folders and attachments. When asked during her interview, _____ stated to the FBI she is not familiar with nor has she ever used Tor software. FBI investigation to date was unable to identify the actor(s) responsible for this login or how _____'s login credentials were compromised. Was this info already public? This seems to me that not only did Secretary Clinton use a private email server to mask her activities from public records law but in taking it under her/her staff's responsibility, she effectively leaked state secrets. How in the world does that not make her criminally culpable? EDIT: Sorry for the tangent -- I'm really curious: is this part new or had the press already reported it (or discovered it and decided not to report it?)

jljljl 10y ago
I don't think this was reported. However there's a few points in the surrounding context that likely diminishes this as a significant detail: 1) The account belonged to a President (Bill) Clinton staffer, and not to Hillary or someone who worked at State with Hillary. Given the FBIs findings, it seems unlikely any classified information was found in their account. 2) The FBI did not identify any other successful scanning attempts on Clinton's server.
dietrichepp 10y ago
I am not a lawyer, but criminal culpability has everything to do with state of mind / mens rea. This is why "murder" is a crime but accidental homicide is not, even though in both cases the same actions might have led to the same consequences. "State secrets" is also one thing, "classified material" is another thing.
- nommm-nommm 10y ago
  Accidental homicide isn't a crime? I thought that was what involuntary manslaughter was?
  - deleted 10y ago
    [deleted]

tanderson92 10y ago

"In a follow-up FBI interview on May 3, 2016, ____ indicated he had an "oh shit" moment and sometime between March 25-31, 2015 deleted the Clinton archive mailbox from the PRN server and used BleachBit to delete the .PST files he had created on the server system containing Clinton's e-mails."

Mizza 10y ago

Where are the documents? On the vault, I just get: > There are currently no items in this folder.

diggan 10y ago
I've linked mirror of the documents here: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=12415174 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=12415174

the_trapper 10y ago

I'm sure it's totally a coincidence that these are being released on the Friday before the Labor Day long weekend.

diggan 10y ago

Also, documents are available here with verifiable hash (in case content changes): Hillary R. Clinton Part 01 of 02 - 1353814-0 - LHM.PDF — PDF document, 2,568 kB (2,629,920 bytes) https://ipfs.io/ipfs/QmePNKoSunyVnbye94tojqt5qhn1WVmmTrEygf9FDxmPDU https://ipfs.io/ipfs/QmePNKoSunyVnbye94tojqt5qhn1WVmmTrEygf9... Hillary R. Clinton Part 02 of 02 - 1353814-0 - HRC 302 -V2.PDF — PDF document, 1,226 kB (1,255,658 bytes) https://ipfs.io/ipfs/QmVfowJwBQ5LJGxMatQ8FiS89RWfyqGE6WbfoGseSt2d1P https://ipfs.io/ipfs/QmVfowJwBQ5LJGxMatQ8FiS89RWfyqGE6WbfoGs...

ljk 10y ago

weird this isn't on the front page even though it's only 5 hours old as of now

lancewiggs 10y ago

You've just landed the job as the second most powerful person in the USA. You work constantly, and rely on 24/7 access to email and messages through your Blackberry (or iPhone/Android now). Your boss has a functional Blackberry. Your predecessor had one too. You are told you can not have a mobile device, but only use a secure computer in a secure location. Your job requires constant travel. Given the setup I'm unsurprised that someone as resourceful as a Secretary of State solved the problem. Running around corporate/government IT departments that say no to everything is a long-standing tradition, and long may it continue. It is how Blackberry and Apple devices got into the hands of these organisations.