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‘Suicide’ Query Prompts Google to Offer Hotline

77 points by asnyder 17y ago

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nkassis 17y ago
Tried to see what the warning looked like but I can't get it to be produced by google. Maybe google knows (through my search history) that I'm just messing with the engine.
- jrp 17y ago
  Got this when logged in: http://img100.imageshack.us/img100/2343/screenshotev.png http://img100.imageshack.us/img100/2343/screenshotev.png Are you in the USA?
- chaosmachine 17y ago
  Try this: http://www.google.com/search?q=suicidal+thoughts&gl=us http://www.google.com/search?q=suicidal+thoughts&gl=us "&gl=" overrides google's location detection to the country code of your choice. Useful for checking what results look like from different countries.
- idm 17y ago
  I was having the same problem. It's a geo-IP thing; switching to a US proxy causes the warning to display.
artpop 17y ago
I wonder if Google has correlated these queries (and what they know of the user) against the obituaries.
- ErrantX 17y ago
  highly unlikely, unless you have a specific reason for thinking so?
benologist 17y ago
Damn they could start by not listing uncyclopedia as the #2 result for 'how to kill yourself without pain', which auto completes as soon as you hit k. http://uncyclopedia.wikia.com/wiki/HowTo:Commit_Suicide http://uncyclopedia.wikia.com/wiki/HowTo:Commit_Suicide
- _delirium 17y ago
  They're been pretty clear that they wouldn't actually change the results for any query based on those kinds of concerns, I think. Adding a thing at the top based on some do-goody motives is a bit different than actually rearranging results in an attempt to protect people from the information they're looking for.
- whatwhatwhat 17y ago
  I'm not sure about your comment however ethical it might be there is just a really fine line between providing "moral" results and really tampering with the truth. If retrofitting search results for "i want to kill myself" to results that would dissuade someone from killing themselves is OK; what about changing results for other unethical questions? How to kill an unborn baby? How to kill my dog? How to kill my hamster?
  - benologist 17y ago
    There's no 'truth' or 'impartiality' or 'morality'. Google frames the internet based on how their algorithm decide what's relevant, dismissing and even completely excluding anything they decide is not relevant or spam or malicious. We all put intensely personal stuff in that box. Google's in a position where they are quite possibly the only place suicidal people may reveal their problems. I hope they do everything they can to help people who are exploring their options, because amongst those options IS support and help even if their SEO isn't as good as uncyclopedia. That it should come down to SEO at all is reprehensible in some cases and shows how poor search engine technology really is - the uncyclopedia article isn't about killing yourself without pain, it's satire and standard uncyclopedia stuff, none of their suggested methods except perhaps the atomic car bomb would be painless. So not only is it irrelevant but it's machine-judged to be more relevant than something that could help but isn't as funny/popular and doesn't have the search engine juice.
meroliph 17y ago
Perhaps they could try making it more personal by changing it to "Talk to someone about this, call 1-800-273-8255" or something similar. Near some bridges there are signs that say "There is hope, make the call".
- viraptor 17y ago
  A good idea, but won't work in reality. 1) You'd need a directory of such numbers from every country. 2) For those where you have the number, IP-based country location does not work, so some people would get a wrong number.
  - reitzensteinm 17y ago
    I don't think needing a directory of numbers from each country is an insurmountable task for a company with the mission of organizing the world's information!
    - viraptor 17y ago
      Actually writing a network spider and page ranking mechanism and chasing after an organisation in real life to keep contact details up to date don't have that much in common... It would work the same as in any other company - i.e. would require time and money.
  - ErrantX 17y ago
    I think the gp was suggesting the message could be more "personal". It was my first thought too.
- jonknee 17y ago
  Knowing Google, they will A/B test it. They could even tie in Google Voice and connect you directly with the hotline.
dane 17y ago
I assumed someone internally bombed "Suicide: Read This First" (http://www.metanoia.org/suicide/ http://www.metanoia.org/suicide/) as it frequently appeared first in my morbid search history (e.g. "i want to die"). I guess that's Google doing what Google does best.
- orblivion 17y ago
  Reading out of curiosity. I really like how it's very practical and not condescending.
orblivion 17y ago
Now all they need to do is call you (because you're logged in and have an associated Android phone in your pocket) and automatically connect you to the hotline.
DTrejo 17y ago
http://duckduckgo.com/?q=suicide&v= http://duckduckgo.com/?q=suicide&v= Will this be added to duckduckgo?
smokey_the_bear 17y ago
I wonder how this is affecting the call rate of the suicide hotline.
damilola 17y ago
Hr. Pasted memo that can and pouch production of milk shouldn't come to work start from on the 3rd to 6th. But i left without permission from my supervisor and is now a query. Help me solve this?

77 points by asnyder 17y ago

deleted 17y ago

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Tried to see what the warning looked like but I can't get it to be produced by google. Maybe google knows (through my search history) that I'm just messing with the engine.

jrp 17y ago
Got this when logged in: http://img100.imageshack.us/img100/2343/screenshotev.png http://img100.imageshack.us/img100/2343/screenshotev.png Are you in the USA?
chaosmachine 17y ago
Try this: http://www.google.com/search?q=suicidal+thoughts&gl=us http://www.google.com/search?q=suicidal+thoughts&gl=us "&gl=" overrides google's location detection to the country code of your choice. Useful for checking what results look like from different countries.
idm 17y ago
I was having the same problem. It's a geo-IP thing; switching to a US proxy causes the warning to display.

artpop 17y ago

I wonder if Google has correlated these queries (and what they know of the user) against the obituaries.

ErrantX 17y ago
highly unlikely, unless you have a specific reason for thinking so?

benologist 17y ago

Damn they could start by not listing uncyclopedia as the #2 result for 'how to kill yourself without pain', which auto completes as soon as you hit k. http://uncyclopedia.wikia.com/wiki/HowTo:Commit_Suicide http://uncyclopedia.wikia.com/wiki/HowTo:Commit_Suicide

_delirium 17y ago
They're been pretty clear that they wouldn't actually change the results for any query based on those kinds of concerns, I think. Adding a thing at the top based on some do-goody motives is a bit different than actually rearranging results in an attempt to protect people from the information they're looking for.
whatwhatwhat 17y ago
I'm not sure about your comment however ethical it might be there is just a really fine line between providing "moral" results and really tampering with the truth. If retrofitting search results for "i want to kill myself" to results that would dissuade someone from killing themselves is OK; what about changing results for other unethical questions? How to kill an unborn baby? How to kill my dog? How to kill my hamster?
- benologist 17y ago
  There's no 'truth' or 'impartiality' or 'morality'. Google frames the internet based on how their algorithm decide what's relevant, dismissing and even completely excluding anything they decide is not relevant or spam or malicious. We all put intensely personal stuff in that box. Google's in a position where they are quite possibly the only place suicidal people may reveal their problems. I hope they do everything they can to help people who are exploring their options, because amongst those options IS support and help even if their SEO isn't as good as uncyclopedia. That it should come down to SEO at all is reprehensible in some cases and shows how poor search engine technology really is - the uncyclopedia article isn't about killing yourself without pain, it's satire and standard uncyclopedia stuff, none of their suggested methods except perhaps the atomic car bomb would be painless. So not only is it irrelevant but it's machine-judged to be more relevant than something that could help but isn't as funny/popular and doesn't have the search engine juice.

meroliph 17y ago

Perhaps they could try making it more personal by changing it to "Talk to someone about this, call 1-800-273-8255" or something similar. Near some bridges there are signs that say "There is hope, make the call".

viraptor 17y ago
A good idea, but won't work in reality. 1) You'd need a directory of such numbers from every country. 2) For those where you have the number, IP-based country location does not work, so some people would get a wrong number.
- reitzensteinm 17y ago
  I don't think needing a directory of numbers from each country is an insurmountable task for a company with the mission of organizing the world's information!
  - viraptor 17y ago
    Actually writing a network spider and page ranking mechanism and chasing after an organisation in real life to keep contact details up to date don't have that much in common... It would work the same as in any other company - i.e. would require time and money.
- ErrantX 17y ago
  I think the gp was suggesting the message could be more "personal". It was my first thought too.
jonknee 17y ago
Knowing Google, they will A/B test it. They could even tie in Google Voice and connect you directly with the hotline.

dane 17y ago

I assumed someone internally bombed "Suicide: Read This First" (http://www.metanoia.org/suicide/ http://www.metanoia.org/suicide/) as it frequently appeared first in my morbid search history (e.g. "i want to die"). I guess that's Google doing what Google does best.

orblivion 17y ago
Reading out of curiosity. I really like how it's very practical and not condescending.

orblivion 17y ago

Now all they need to do is call you (because you're logged in and have an associated Android phone in your pocket) and automatically connect you to the hotline.

DTrejo 17y ago

http://duckduckgo.com/?q=suicide&v= http://duckduckgo.com/?q=suicide&v= Will this be added to duckduckgo?

smokey_the_bear 17y ago

I wonder how this is affecting the call rate of the suicide hotline.

damilola 17y ago

Hr. Pasted memo that can and pouch production of milk shouldn't come to work start from on the 3rd to 6th. But i left without permission from my supervisor and is now a query. Help me solve this?