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Why? Has he done anything?

by Slaul 10y ago

Sklavenmoral 10y ago
https://medium.com/@nodebotanist/why-i-won-t-be-speaking-at-conferences-with-douglas-crockford-anymore-61bc29f028c8#.4usnby2rg https://medium.com/@nodebotanist/why-i-won-t-be-speaking-at-... https://twitter.com/nebrius/status/699663365661065216 https://twitter.com/nebrius/status/699663365661065216 https://medium.com/@kassandra_perch/why-i-won-t-be-speaking-at-conferences-with-douglas-crockford-anymore-61bc29f028c8#.96rqjmi7t https://medium.com/@kassandra_perch/why-i-won-t-be-speaking-... Basically, people think he's an asshole.
- Slaul 10y ago
  So some peoples fee-fees got hurt and they whined on twitter, got it.
- alexc05 10y ago
  Just to note, your first and third links are the same article under two different aliases. So it is two people who have publicly declared this. Though there may be more who have unspoken dislike of the man. I can certainly imagine myself to be drawn to a conference where Douglas Crockford was speaking (in fact, I'd be likely to attend if he were the only speaker), but having "lightly googled" the other two I'm not sure their contributions to the community would be enough to draw me in to the talk. Which is fine I guess. My opinion is worth what it cost and the conference organisers can do what they want. I really hope this doesn't blow up into some sort of "DongleGate" or anything of the sort. I just don't fucking care and would very much prefer it if every interesting headline wasn't drowned out for the next two weeks by "My opinion on Crockford-gate" I don't want to read about the visceral stalking reaction that the above people got in response to their SJW-ing, or how SJW-ists are ruining the world. I don't wnat to hear about how "we can do better" by not uttering threats to people who don't want to hang out with Crockford. A don't want them to be threatened.... none of the anything that happens every time any of these issues poke their head up. I'd love it if we could all just say "OK" and move on. I'll keep an eye out for a conference that will invite Crockford, I'll skip Nodevember (which being in tenessee I wasn't going to anyways, but the same theory applies to this stuff when it is in Toronto). Anyways - obviously I'm already getting a bit "ranty" which I don't mean to but we've all seen this "outrage" thing so many times now. Are we smarter than the same old song and dance yet? Live and let live. They can uninvite him, the people who disagree can not go. Everyone is happy and who knows? Maybe Crockford (if he cares) decides to moderate his behavior. Maybe he doesn't care. Up to him.
  - jstx 10y ago
    Also, the second link forwards to the third, so that makes this a single data point?
    - alexc05 10y ago
      Well... link #1 is a person saying "I won't present at a conference with Crockford because reasons" #2 is someone saying "me neither, because these reasons" I guess we could consider it "a woozle" but it does boil down to two people who have publicly stated they don't like Crockford.
- mzw_mzw 10y ago
  By "people" you mean a couple of mentally unstable people who haven't contributed a tiny fraction to the development of the language that Crockford has. But hey, they're the ones who always seem to get their way these days.
  - alexc05 10y ago
    Right, but did you give a shit about nodevember yesterday? If I examine their relative contributions to JavaScript it does appear to be metaphorically like the deckhand on the Santa Maria refusing to share the conference stage with Galileo, or "Storm trooper #3" being fed up with Mark Hamill. But maybe they're people who have specifically contributed to nodevember. I mean, one of them has been on the hansel-minutes podcast. One of the complainants is from Austin tx, and the others list San Francisco. Which are both pretty far from Nashville. Anyways, I'm not sure any of that matters, it looks a little like a case of long distance bullying against someone who the conference attendees likely could learn something from, by people from whom, I think they couldn't. I mean, as professional programmers, we all know a few bright ones who have some aspects of socially awkward. We all know at least one grumpy old man (some of us are him!). It really seems to me like a case of throwing the baby out with the bath water, but I didn't care about nodevember yesterday and I don't today. I would definitely go to a Crockford talk though. I disagree with the decision to remove him as a speaker. Privately I'm annoyed, frustrated, angry, worried about things like the authoritarianism of it all. But ultimately, I respect nodevember's freedom to make their conference the way they want it. We can all move on from this one I think.
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Why? Has he done anything?

by Slaul 10y ago

Why? Has he done anything?

https://medium.com/@nodebotanist/why-i-won-t-be-speaking-at-conferences-with-douglas-crockford-anymore-61bc29f028c8#.4usnby2rg https://medium.com/@nodebotanist/why-i-won-t-be-speaking-at-... https://twitter.com/nebrius/status/699663365661065216 https://twitter.com/nebrius/status/699663365661065216 https://medium.com/@kassandra_perch/why-i-won-t-be-speaking-at-conferences-with-douglas-crockford-anymore-61bc29f028c8#.96rqjmi7t https://medium.com/@kassandra_perch/why-i-won-t-be-speaking-... Basically, people think he's an asshole.

Slaul 10y ago
So some peoples fee-fees got hurt and they whined on twitter, got it.
alexc05 10y ago
Just to note, your first and third links are the same article under two different aliases. So it is two people who have publicly declared this. Though there may be more who have unspoken dislike of the man. I can certainly imagine myself to be drawn to a conference where Douglas Crockford was speaking (in fact, I'd be likely to attend if he were the only speaker), but having "lightly googled" the other two I'm not sure their contributions to the community would be enough to draw me in to the talk. Which is fine I guess. My opinion is worth what it cost and the conference organisers can do what they want. I really hope this doesn't blow up into some sort of "DongleGate" or anything of the sort. I just don't fucking care and would very much prefer it if every interesting headline wasn't drowned out for the next two weeks by "My opinion on Crockford-gate" I don't want to read about the visceral stalking reaction that the above people got in response to their SJW-ing, or how SJW-ists are ruining the world. I don't wnat to hear about how "we can do better" by not uttering threats to people who don't want to hang out with Crockford. A don't want them to be threatened.... none of the anything that happens every time any of these issues poke their head up. I'd love it if we could all just say "OK" and move on. I'll keep an eye out for a conference that will invite Crockford, I'll skip Nodevember (which being in tenessee I wasn't going to anyways, but the same theory applies to this stuff when it is in Toronto). Anyways - obviously I'm already getting a bit "ranty" which I don't mean to but we've all seen this "outrage" thing so many times now. Are we smarter than the same old song and dance yet? Live and let live. They can uninvite him, the people who disagree can not go. Everyone is happy and who knows? Maybe Crockford (if he cares) decides to moderate his behavior. Maybe he doesn't care. Up to him.
- jstx 10y ago
  Also, the second link forwards to the third, so that makes this a single data point?
  - alexc05 10y ago
    Well... link #1 is a person saying "I won't present at a conference with Crockford because reasons" #2 is someone saying "me neither, because these reasons" I guess we could consider it "a woozle" but it does boil down to two people who have publicly stated they don't like Crockford.
mzw_mzw 10y ago
By "people" you mean a couple of mentally unstable people who haven't contributed a tiny fraction to the development of the language that Crockford has. But hey, they're the ones who always seem to get their way these days.
- alexc05 10y ago
  Right, but did you give a shit about nodevember yesterday? If I examine their relative contributions to JavaScript it does appear to be metaphorically like the deckhand on the Santa Maria refusing to share the conference stage with Galileo, or "Storm trooper #3" being fed up with Mark Hamill. But maybe they're people who have specifically contributed to nodevember. I mean, one of them has been on the hansel-minutes podcast. One of the complainants is from Austin tx, and the others list San Francisco. Which are both pretty far from Nashville. Anyways, I'm not sure any of that matters, it looks a little like a case of long distance bullying against someone who the conference attendees likely could learn something from, by people from whom, I think they couldn't. I mean, as professional programmers, we all know a few bright ones who have some aspects of socially awkward. We all know at least one grumpy old man (some of us are him!). It really seems to me like a case of throwing the baby out with the bath water, but I didn't care about nodevember yesterday and I don't today. I would definitely go to a Crockford talk though. I disagree with the decision to remove him as a speaker. Privately I'm annoyed, frustrated, angry, worried about things like the authoritarianism of it all. But ultimately, I respect nodevember's freedom to make their conference the way they want it. We can all move on from this one I think.
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