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If we're already spending that money on healthcare as it is, how are you going to take it and spend it on healthcare and have it be less money? And why do you t

by r_smart 10y ago

If we're already spending that money on healthcare as it is, how are you going to take it and spend it on healthcare and have it be less money? And why do you think that expanding that program to cover everyone in the country is going to come out to be 20% of the military budget? What percentage of the population is already covered by the existing programs? I took the money I use to pay rent, and the used it to pay rent. Boom free rent? I'm sorry, but that's kind of what your argument sounds like to me.

brianwawok 10y ago
> If we're already spending that money on healthcare as it is, how are you going to take it and spend it on healthcare and have it be less money? We aren't. That part is constant. > And why do you think that expanding that program to cover everyone in the country is going to come out to be 20% of the military budget? We can do the math if we want. Perhaps it will take 50% of the Military budget. Perhaps people earning more than 50k will need to pay a new tax that is more or less equal to what they currently pay in health insurance premiums. The math can be made to work. > I took the money I use to pay rent, and the used it to pay rent. Boom free rent? I'm sorry, but that's kind of what your argument sounds like to me. No more like - You spend $600 a month on smoking, and $600 a month on rent. Quit smoking, BOOM, free rent. At the end of the day, your costs dropped $600 which was the price of your rent.
- r_smart 10y ago
  >We can do the math if we want. Perhaps it will take 50% of the Military budget. Perhaps people earning more than 50k will need to pay a new tax that is more or less equal to what they currently pay in health insurance premiums. The math can be made to work. It's the handwaving that's the frustrating part. What amount of the military budget is it? How are you going to charge me a new tax equivalent to my current healthcare that's going to cover me and at least one other person (just under half in the country actually pay income tax). That still sounds like magic thinking. Taxes would have to go up, how could they not? Or you gut the military, and even then I don't think it would necessarily be enough. Add in the push to completely ignore illegal immigration, and accord them the rights of citizens, and agree with that policy or not, you have to acknowledge the cost will go up even more. It's easy to handwave the numbers. It happens a lot, but it's not a trivial detail. It has real consequences. What happens when the US Navy is no longer patrolling trade routes? Or when younger generations are crushed by a combination of increased tax burden and school loan debt?

by r_smart 10y ago

brianwawok 10y ago

> If we're already spending that money on healthcare as it is, how are you going to take it and spend it on healthcare and have it be less money? We aren't. That part is constant. > And why do you think that expanding that program to cover everyone in the country is going to come out to be 20% of the military budget? We can do the math if we want. Perhaps it will take 50% of the Military budget. Perhaps people earning more than 50k will need to pay a new tax that is more or less equal to what they currently pay in health insurance premiums. The math can be made to work. > I took the money I use to pay rent, and the used it to pay rent. Boom free rent? I'm sorry, but that's kind of what your argument sounds like to me. No more like - You spend $600 a month on smoking, and $600 a month on rent. Quit smoking, BOOM, free rent. At the end of the day, your costs dropped $600 which was the price of your rent.

r_smart 10y ago
>We can do the math if we want. Perhaps it will take 50% of the Military budget. Perhaps people earning more than 50k will need to pay a new tax that is more or less equal to what they currently pay in health insurance premiums. The math can be made to work. It's the handwaving that's the frustrating part. What amount of the military budget is it? How are you going to charge me a new tax equivalent to my current healthcare that's going to cover me and at least one other person (just under half in the country actually pay income tax). That still sounds like magic thinking. Taxes would have to go up, how could they not? Or you gut the military, and even then I don't think it would necessarily be enough. Add in the push to completely ignore illegal immigration, and accord them the rights of citizens, and agree with that policy or not, you have to acknowledge the cost will go up even more. It's easy to handwave the numbers. It happens a lot, but it's not a trivial detail. It has real consequences. What happens when the US Navy is no longer patrolling trade routes? Or when younger generations are crushed by a combination of increased tax burden and school loan debt?