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Oh. They take a 5% cut. Next question, how do I prevent this system from working on any of my websites?

wyldfire 10y ago
Alternative: microtip [1] [2]. [1] https://autotip.io/docs/microtip-meta-tag https://autotip.io/docs/microtip-meta-tag [2] https://wiki.whatwg.org/wiki/MetaExtensions https://wiki.whatwg.org/wiki/MetaExtensions
tiles 10y ago
You could refuse to serve to web browsers with a Brave user-agent. Or I could fetch your website using wget and strip out ads. If you can't control a user agent in other situations, why do you want to control it here?
- mike-cardwell 10y ago
  I don't want to control the user agent, I just want to programatically announce that I am not talking part in the Brave micro-tip system, so that no end-user funds are put in a wallet for me which will never be withdrawn. Looking into this further, they would eventually email me after there are $10 worth of funds queued up for me, and then after 30 days of me ignoring them, those funds would be spread out amongst other sites who do want them. However, until that wallet has at least $10 in it, Brave is just sitting on top of free money. I don't want that. [edit] P.S, Brave doesn't identify it's self in the user agent header. I just downloaded the Linux version and it identified it's self thus: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux x86_64) AppleWebKit/537.36 (KHTML, like Gecko) Chrome/52.0.2743.116 Safari/537.36
  - tokenizerrr 10y ago
    > Looking into this further, they would eventually email me after there are $10 worth of funds queued up for me, and then after 30 days of me ignoring them, those funds would be spread out amongst other sites who do want them. And this means the users, who think they are contributing to you, actually aren't at all. This seems deceptive.
  - witty_username 10y ago
    > However, until that wallet has at least $10 in it, Brave is just sitting on top of free money. I don't want that. One reason could be they don't want to bug website owners about small amounts.
    - mike-cardwell 10y ago
      How kind of them to hang on to the money instead of bugging the people it was intended for.
    - Sylos 10y ago
      Doesn't justify the 30 day limit, though. That there needs to be some limit is clear, but I don't see a justification for it being only 30 days.
    - st3v3r 10y ago
      So let the website owner supply a wallet address so Brave doesn't have to hold onto the money?
mst 10y ago
How else would you suggest they maintain the infrastructure without turning the users back into the product?
- mike-cardwell 10y ago
  By taking a lot less than 5% of the donations and creating a successful and widely used product.
  - mst 10y ago
    One would hope that if they get sufficiently successfuly they'd drop the percentage, but requiring them to achieve wider scale just to initially break even doesn't seem like it sets up good incentives to me.
- tokenizerrr 10y ago
  What infrastructure is there to maintain? Conceptually all that needs to happen is: * Website sends HTTP response header containing a bitcoin address * Browser keeps a bitcoin wallet * Browser shows a button to send bitcoin from said wallet to said bitcoin address And that's it.
  - mike-cardwell 10y ago
    Yes, that is ideally how it would work. Yes, they have infrastructure which needs paying for, but that infrastructure only exists in the first place so that they can take a cut of the donations.
- nailer 10y ago
  Implementing window.payment like Google and Apple do?
- ultramancool 10y ago
  If the system was designed right any infrastructure could be distributed (put a bitcoin address and a notification URL in your HTML or something dead simple like that) and development could be sponsored by interested parties if needed. There wouldn't be any need for a fee.

Alternative: microtip [1] [2]. [1] https://autotip.io/docs/microtip-meta-tag https://autotip.io/docs/microtip-meta-tag [2] https://wiki.whatwg.org/wiki/MetaExtensions https://wiki.whatwg.org/wiki/MetaExtensions

tiles 10y ago

You could refuse to serve to web browsers with a Brave user-agent. Or I could fetch your website using wget and strip out ads. If you can't control a user agent in other situations, why do you want to control it here?

mike-cardwell 10y ago
I don't want to control the user agent, I just want to programatically announce that I am not talking part in the Brave micro-tip system, so that no end-user funds are put in a wallet for me which will never be withdrawn. Looking into this further, they would eventually email me after there are $10 worth of funds queued up for me, and then after 30 days of me ignoring them, those funds would be spread out amongst other sites who do want them. However, until that wallet has at least $10 in it, Brave is just sitting on top of free money. I don't want that. [edit] P.S, Brave doesn't identify it's self in the user agent header. I just downloaded the Linux version and it identified it's self thus: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux x86_64) AppleWebKit/537.36 (KHTML, like Gecko) Chrome/52.0.2743.116 Safari/537.36
- tokenizerrr 10y ago
  > Looking into this further, they would eventually email me after there are $10 worth of funds queued up for me, and then after 30 days of me ignoring them, those funds would be spread out amongst other sites who do want them. And this means the users, who think they are contributing to you, actually aren't at all. This seems deceptive.
- witty_username 10y ago
  > However, until that wallet has at least $10 in it, Brave is just sitting on top of free money. I don't want that. One reason could be they don't want to bug website owners about small amounts.
  - mike-cardwell 10y ago
    How kind of them to hang on to the money instead of bugging the people it was intended for.
  - Sylos 10y ago
    Doesn't justify the 30 day limit, though. That there needs to be some limit is clear, but I don't see a justification for it being only 30 days.
  - st3v3r 10y ago
    So let the website owner supply a wallet address so Brave doesn't have to hold onto the money?

mst 10y ago

How else would you suggest they maintain the infrastructure without turning the users back into the product?

mike-cardwell 10y ago
By taking a lot less than 5% of the donations and creating a successful and widely used product.
- mst 10y ago
  One would hope that if they get sufficiently successfuly they'd drop the percentage, but requiring them to achieve wider scale just to initially break even doesn't seem like it sets up good incentives to me.
tokenizerrr 10y ago
What infrastructure is there to maintain? Conceptually all that needs to happen is: * Website sends HTTP response header containing a bitcoin address * Browser keeps a bitcoin wallet * Browser shows a button to send bitcoin from said wallet to said bitcoin address And that's it.
- mike-cardwell 10y ago
  Yes, that is ideally how it would work. Yes, they have infrastructure which needs paying for, but that infrastructure only exists in the first place so that they can take a cut of the donations.
nailer 10y ago
Implementing window.payment like Google and Apple do?
ultramancool 10y ago
If the system was designed right any infrastructure could be distributed (put a bitcoin address and a notification URL in your HTML or something dead simple like that) and development could be sponsored by interested parties if needed. There wouldn't be any need for a fee.