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Absolutely random note: I had never heard the phrase "E-ticket ride" in my life until earlier today, when one of my dad's buddies mentioned it while we were out

Absolutely random note: I had never heard the phrase "E-ticket ride" in my life until earlier today, when one of my dad's buddies mentioned it while we were out golfing and explained the context. Just a few hours later, I see it here. Amusing.

gregpilling 10y ago
E ticket, is a reference to how Disneyland used to price rides. The most exciting rides like Space Mountain, required an E ticket; this was before the pay-once-ride-anything plan was introduced. I went to Disneyland for the first time in 1979, and the E ticket was in use then. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/E_ticket https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/E_ticket
- WalterBright 10y ago
  Disneyland was another of those totally game-changing innovations like the 747.
  - Bluestrike2 10y ago
    The outsized effect of Disneyland on the American psyche has always fascinated me. In a lot of ways, Disneyland is synonymous with the idea of the family vacation. I remember reading a fascinating article a few months back about a column Elie Wiesel wrote about his trip to Disneyland [0]: > I don’t know if a Garden of Eden awaits adults in the hereafter. I do know, though, that there is a Garden of Eden for children here in this life. I know because I myself visited this paradise. I have just returned from there, just passed through its gates, just left the magical kingdom known as Disneyland. And as I bid that kingdom farewell, I understood for the first time the true meaning of the French saying ‘to leave is to die a little’ [partir, c’est mourir un peu] For a theme park--of all things--to create that sort of effect on its visitors is nothing short of remarkable. 0. http://www.tabletmag.com/jewish-arts-and-culture/206125/elie-wiesel-visits-disneyland http://www.tabletmag.com/jewish-arts-and-culture/206125/elie...
    - rangibaby 10y ago
      > Disneyland is synonymous with the idea of the family vacation Hoo boy http://www.hollywoodreporter.com/features/read-john-hughes-original-national-811591 http://www.hollywoodreporter.com/features/read-john-hughes-o... and the no-celebrities-harmed film adaptation "Vacation".
handedness 10y ago
https://www.damninteresting.com/the-baader-meinhof-phenomenon/ https://www.damninteresting.com/the-baader-meinhof-phenomeno...
dredmorbius 10y ago
In addition to the Baader-Meinhoff phenomenon, I think there's also the notion of having a concept move into the scope of awareness. I'm doing a lot of worldview refactoring, reading and thinking on many subjects and topics. As I start assimilating new models and references, I'm going back to older sources and revisiting them in light of the new models I've been acquiring and developing. The effect can be profound, with many "familiar" works suddenly taking on highly unexpected dimensions. My own first exposure to "E-Ticket" came from Julie Brown's "The Homecoming Queen's got a Gun" https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=xG3yGdQYwqg https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=xG3yGdQYwqg (A song and video which probably wouldn't fly today.)
- Mickchicken2 10y ago
  Can you explain worldview refactoring? This sounds like something I have been mulling on recently. (Concept not phrase)
  - dredmorbius 10y ago
    https://www.reddit.com/r/dredmorbius/comments/4cudix/21st_century_refactory_worker/ https://www.reddit.com/r/dredmorbius/comments/4cudix/21st_ce... If you take "worldview" to be the aggregate of models, premises, axioms, rules-of-thumb, personal and cultural context, etc., etc., you end up with a pretty hairy melenge of crud. Some of it is useful and accurate. A lot of it isn't. (All models are wrong, some are useful.) Almost all of it has very strong path dependencies. Language itself is problematic as we define things in terms of other things, and if all the ground is soft and/or unstable, then that shifts. I'm looking at ideas involving progress, models, institutions, limits, and interactions among them. I've been thinking for a while of adding "values" to that list as well. There are large constraints in discussing this with others, particularly as much of the thinking is novel (though as I dig through dusty and rusty corners I'm finding I'm reinventing a lot of ideas previously considered -- something I find heartening), but moreso, that those who hold the mainstream worldview are heavily vested in it. There's an as-yet-unwritten essay on apocalyptic thinking. Not in the sense of fire-from-the-sky the world will explode meaning, but in that the roots of the words "revelation", "enlightenment", "apocalypse", "catastrophe", and "revolution", among others, refer to an overturning. "The scales dropped from my eyes". There's a Cupertino mystic I bumped across online (no, not Steve Jobs) who has a really expressive little bit that enlightenment is not in the least comforting. Or to borrow from Arthur C. Clarke's title -- it's a childhood's end. Solidifying a bit, I'm finding the ecologists far more convincing and reality-based than (most of) the economists. Howard Odum, William Ophuls, Vaclav Smil, Nicholas Georgescu-Roegen (economist), Herman Daly (ecological economist). But the roots of economic thought, in particular 18th and 19th century, are also pretty fascinating. There's Steuart (almost wholly ignored by Smith), and as a recently discovered example, T. E. Cliffe Leslie, "The Political Economy of Adam Smith" (1870), which does an excellent job of expressing what I've been trying to put my finger on about economics (and all philosophy) being grounded in specific circumstances. http://socserv.mcmaster.ca/econ/ugcm/3ll3/leslie/leslie01.html http://socserv.mcmaster.ca/econ/ugcm/3ll3/leslie/leslie01.ht... No branch of philosophical doctrine, indeed, can be fairly investigated or apprehended apart from its history. All our systems of politics, morals, and metaphysics would be different if we knew exactly how they grew up, and what transformations they have undergone; if we knew, in short, the true history of human ideas. And the history of political economy, at any rate, is not lost. It would not be difficult to trace the connection between every extant treatise prior to the `Wealth of Nations,' and conditions of thought at the epoch at which it appeared. But there is the less occasion, for the purpose of these pages, or of ascertaining the origin and foundation of the economic doctrines of our own day, to go behind the epoch of Adam Smith, that he has himself traced the systems of political economy antecedent to his own to a particular course of history, to `the different progress of opulence in different ages and nations,' and `the private interests and prejudices of particular orders of men.' What he did not see was, that his own system, in its turn, was the product of a particular history; that what he regarded as the System of Nature was a descendant of the System of Nature as conceived by the ancients, in a form fashioned by the ideas and circumstances of his own time, and. coloured by his own disposition and course of life. Still less could he see how, after his time, `the progress of opulence' would govern the interpretation of his doctrines, or how the system he promulgated as the system of liberty, justice, and divine benevolence, would be moulded into a system of selfishness by `the private interests and prejudices of particular orders of men.' Also claimed is that Smith is entirely deductive. I'm not so convinced of this (Smith actually does cite observations and behaviour frequently), though it is true in parts, and most true in those parts of Smith that are most widely and loudly championed today, particularly the wholly fabricated notion that an "Invisible Hand" is some mechanism by which markets operate. It's not mechanism but apparent outcome, an outcome, it turns out from much subsequent studies. fantastically sensitive to actual conditions, and not in the least guaranteed. (See epecially Joseph Stiglitz.) Anyhow, small bits. But yes, I'm running an abattoir for sacred cows and received truths. The linked subbreddit (above) is where I'm exploring much of that. Conversation spills out in other places, including HN.

gregpilling 10y ago

E ticket, is a reference to how Disneyland used to price rides. The most exciting rides like Space Mountain, required an E ticket; this was before the pay-once-ride-anything plan was introduced. I went to Disneyland for the first time in 1979, and the E ticket was in use then. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/E_ticket https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/E_ticket

WalterBright 10y ago
Disneyland was another of those totally game-changing innovations like the 747.
- Bluestrike2 10y ago
  The outsized effect of Disneyland on the American psyche has always fascinated me. In a lot of ways, Disneyland is synonymous with the idea of the family vacation. I remember reading a fascinating article a few months back about a column Elie Wiesel wrote about his trip to Disneyland [0]: > I don’t know if a Garden of Eden awaits adults in the hereafter. I do know, though, that there is a Garden of Eden for children here in this life. I know because I myself visited this paradise. I have just returned from there, just passed through its gates, just left the magical kingdom known as Disneyland. And as I bid that kingdom farewell, I understood for the first time the true meaning of the French saying ‘to leave is to die a little’ [partir, c’est mourir un peu] For a theme park--of all things--to create that sort of effect on its visitors is nothing short of remarkable. 0. http://www.tabletmag.com/jewish-arts-and-culture/206125/elie-wiesel-visits-disneyland http://www.tabletmag.com/jewish-arts-and-culture/206125/elie...
  - rangibaby 10y ago
    > Disneyland is synonymous with the idea of the family vacation Hoo boy http://www.hollywoodreporter.com/features/read-john-hughes-original-national-811591 http://www.hollywoodreporter.com/features/read-john-hughes-o... and the no-celebrities-harmed film adaptation "Vacation".

handedness 10y ago

https://www.damninteresting.com/the-baader-meinhof-phenomenon/ https://www.damninteresting.com/the-baader-meinhof-phenomeno...

dredmorbius 10y ago

In addition to the Baader-Meinhoff phenomenon, I think there's also the notion of having a concept move into the scope of awareness. I'm doing a lot of worldview refactoring, reading and thinking on many subjects and topics. As I start assimilating new models and references, I'm going back to older sources and revisiting them in light of the new models I've been acquiring and developing. The effect can be profound, with many "familiar" works suddenly taking on highly unexpected dimensions. My own first exposure to "E-Ticket" came from Julie Brown's "The Homecoming Queen's got a Gun" https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=xG3yGdQYwqg https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=xG3yGdQYwqg (A song and video which probably wouldn't fly today.)

Mickchicken2 10y ago
Can you explain worldview refactoring? This sounds like something I have been mulling on recently. (Concept not phrase)
- dredmorbius 10y ago
  https://www.reddit.com/r/dredmorbius/comments/4cudix/21st_century_refactory_worker/ https://www.reddit.com/r/dredmorbius/comments/4cudix/21st_ce... If you take "worldview" to be the aggregate of models, premises, axioms, rules-of-thumb, personal and cultural context, etc., etc., you end up with a pretty hairy melenge of crud. Some of it is useful and accurate. A lot of it isn't. (All models are wrong, some are useful.) Almost all of it has very strong path dependencies. Language itself is problematic as we define things in terms of other things, and if all the ground is soft and/or unstable, then that shifts. I'm looking at ideas involving progress, models, institutions, limits, and interactions among them. I've been thinking for a while of adding "values" to that list as well. There are large constraints in discussing this with others, particularly as much of the thinking is novel (though as I dig through dusty and rusty corners I'm finding I'm reinventing a lot of ideas previously considered -- something I find heartening), but moreso, that those who hold the mainstream worldview are heavily vested in it. There's an as-yet-unwritten essay on apocalyptic thinking. Not in the sense of fire-from-the-sky the world will explode meaning, but in that the roots of the words "revelation", "enlightenment", "apocalypse", "catastrophe", and "revolution", among others, refer to an overturning. "The scales dropped from my eyes". There's a Cupertino mystic I bumped across online (no, not Steve Jobs) who has a really expressive little bit that enlightenment is not in the least comforting. Or to borrow from Arthur C. Clarke's title -- it's a childhood's end. Solidifying a bit, I'm finding the ecologists far more convincing and reality-based than (most of) the economists. Howard Odum, William Ophuls, Vaclav Smil, Nicholas Georgescu-Roegen (economist), Herman Daly (ecological economist). But the roots of economic thought, in particular 18th and 19th century, are also pretty fascinating. There's Steuart (almost wholly ignored by Smith), and as a recently discovered example, T. E. Cliffe Leslie, "The Political Economy of Adam Smith" (1870), which does an excellent job of expressing what I've been trying to put my finger on about economics (and all philosophy) being grounded in specific circumstances. http://socserv.mcmaster.ca/econ/ugcm/3ll3/leslie/leslie01.html http://socserv.mcmaster.ca/econ/ugcm/3ll3/leslie/leslie01.ht... No branch of philosophical doctrine, indeed, can be fairly investigated or apprehended apart from its history. All our systems of politics, morals, and metaphysics would be different if we knew exactly how they grew up, and what transformations they have undergone; if we knew, in short, the true history of human ideas. And the history of political economy, at any rate, is not lost. It would not be difficult to trace the connection between every extant treatise prior to the `Wealth of Nations,' and conditions of thought at the epoch at which it appeared. But there is the less occasion, for the purpose of these pages, or of ascertaining the origin and foundation of the economic doctrines of our own day, to go behind the epoch of Adam Smith, that he has himself traced the systems of political economy antecedent to his own to a particular course of history, to `the different progress of opulence in different ages and nations,' and `the private interests and prejudices of particular orders of men.' What he did not see was, that his own system, in its turn, was the product of a particular history; that what he regarded as the System of Nature was a descendant of the System of Nature as conceived by the ancients, in a form fashioned by the ideas and circumstances of his own time, and. coloured by his own disposition and course of life. Still less could he see how, after his time, `the progress of opulence' would govern the interpretation of his doctrines, or how the system he promulgated as the system of liberty, justice, and divine benevolence, would be moulded into a system of selfishness by `the private interests and prejudices of particular orders of men.' Also claimed is that Smith is entirely deductive. I'm not so convinced of this (Smith actually does cite observations and behaviour frequently), though it is true in parts, and most true in those parts of Smith that are most widely and loudly championed today, particularly the wholly fabricated notion that an "Invisible Hand" is some mechanism by which markets operate. It's not mechanism but apparent outcome, an outcome, it turns out from much subsequent studies. fantastically sensitive to actual conditions, and not in the least guaranteed. (See epecially Joseph Stiglitz.) Anyhow, small bits. But yes, I'm running an abattoir for sacred cows and received truths. The linked subbreddit (above) is where I'm exploring much of that. Conversation spills out in other places, including HN.