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The point is that tv manufacturers can still sell all of those features in-the-box, but provide it as a dumb screen + a separate device that's replacable when i

The point is that tv manufacturers can still sell all of those features in-the-box, but provide it as a dumb screen + a separate device that's replacable when it becomes obsolete before the screen does. I think a key competitive feature would be to have their own device integrated better than third-party devices. A usb connection to share commands from the tv's remote, for example. Maybe integrated menus of some sort. If the add-on device is fairly cheap, and major upgrades require replacement rather than just software, the tv manufacturers could get more upgrade sales than they can get for whole tv upgrades.

dogma1138 10y ago
But this isn't mutually exclusive, you are complicating a design for no reason, 99% of the people would never upgrade either, and if it's too complicated they wouldn't want to use it. You can buy any add-on yourself they work with every TV you don't have to worry about brand compatibility or lockouts why ask the TV makers to make the market worse? The minute that Sony or whoever starts selling dongles is the minute they block all other dongles from working on their TV's and everyone would do the same. As for the TV remote thing this already works, HDMI-CEC is a protocol that allows you to send commands from the TV to the device via HDMI and virtually every TV I had for the past what almost 10 years with HDMI had the support for it. I have several streamers at home that all work with it without any issues. Every TV is a dumb panel, removing the "smart" features from it won't make it any cheaper those SoC's are cheap as dirt, you gain nothing by removing it and you lose the simple crowd that doesn't want to add other devices and worry about setting them up or figuring how they work, they want to turn on the TV and click on netflix and that's it. When it comes to the point where it doesn't work anymore they have the choice to buy a dongle or buy a new TV they do not have to do it and there is no commercial trickery or anything that forces them to buy a new TV over a Chromecast or a Roku or Firestick or w/e.

dogma1138 10y ago

But this isn't mutually exclusive, you are complicating a design for no reason, 99% of the people would never upgrade either, and if it's too complicated they wouldn't want to use it. You can buy any add-on yourself they work with every TV you don't have to worry about brand compatibility or lockouts why ask the TV makers to make the market worse? The minute that Sony or whoever starts selling dongles is the minute they block all other dongles from working on their TV's and everyone would do the same. As for the TV remote thing this already works, HDMI-CEC is a protocol that allows you to send commands from the TV to the device via HDMI and virtually every TV I had for the past what almost 10 years with HDMI had the support for it. I have several streamers at home that all work with it without any issues. Every TV is a dumb panel, removing the "smart" features from it won't make it any cheaper those SoC's are cheap as dirt, you gain nothing by removing it and you lose the simple crowd that doesn't want to add other devices and worry about setting them up or figuring how they work, they want to turn on the TV and click on netflix and that's it. When it comes to the point where it doesn't work anymore they have the choice to buy a dongle or buy a new TV they do not have to do it and there is no commercial trickery or anything that forces them to buy a new TV over a Chromecast or a Roku or Firestick or w/e.