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Hooray! The children are saved!

sstrudeau 17y ago
By teaching them it's ok to break the law to run their own code on a device they own without the approval of the manufacturer? This is progress?
- kevinbutler 17y ago
  Change "break the law" to "go against the wishes of the copyright holder", and the answer is yes. When you buy the device, it's yours. The perception that copyright allows the copyright holder to dictate everything you do with a device or piece of content is spurious, and the more people realize that, the better. http://www.eff.org/deeplinks/2009/02/apple-says-jailbreaking-illegal http://www.eff.org/deeplinks/2009/02/apple-says-jailbreaking... kb
  - orangecat 17y ago
    The perception that copyright allows the copyright holder to dictate everything you do with a device or piece of content is spurious In a reasonable world, this would be true. But sadly Apple is most likely correct as a matter of law. The DMCA prohibits "circumvention" of copyright protection measures, regardless of whether you're doing so for the purpose of copyright infringement. It's a backdoor method of eliminating fair use, and like many other companies Apple has figured out how to take advantage of it to deny our property rights.
NathanKP 17y ago
I don't think the children were ever in any danger. If anything, having to jailbreak the iPad is more of a challenge and promotes the hacking spirit. Further on down the thread someone mentions the fact that in Turkey, most of the iPhone users, even non-power users, have jailbroken iPhones. I think that in this respect Apple's attempt at security may even promote hacking and jailbreaking. It may be a healthy experience to start with a locked device and have to jailbreak it.
- gfodor 17y ago
  Awesome observation. Going through the jailbreak process is almost like a rite of passage to hackerdom -- kind of neat if you think about it. I could see this becoming a formality 5-10 years from now that people go through for old-times sake, similar to how we always write "Hello World" whenever we start in a new language.
- daeken 17y ago
  It's the only reason I've ever been interested in Apple's mobile devices. I joined the iPhone Dev Team right after the iPhone came out and worked on it through the initial unlock. Once the challenge was gone, I moved on to greener pastures. It wasn't to get some specific goal (I never really installed any apps on my phone), but just to do it and have some fun. Everyone should reverse-engineer something like that at some point -- the feeling can't be beat.

By teaching them it's ok to break the law to run their own code on a device they own without the approval of the manufacturer? This is progress?

kevinbutler 17y ago
Change "break the law" to "go against the wishes of the copyright holder", and the answer is yes. When you buy the device, it's yours. The perception that copyright allows the copyright holder to dictate everything you do with a device or piece of content is spurious, and the more people realize that, the better. http://www.eff.org/deeplinks/2009/02/apple-says-jailbreaking-illegal http://www.eff.org/deeplinks/2009/02/apple-says-jailbreaking... kb
- orangecat 17y ago
  The perception that copyright allows the copyright holder to dictate everything you do with a device or piece of content is spurious In a reasonable world, this would be true. But sadly Apple is most likely correct as a matter of law. The DMCA prohibits "circumvention" of copyright protection measures, regardless of whether you're doing so for the purpose of copyright infringement. It's a backdoor method of eliminating fair use, and like many other companies Apple has figured out how to take advantage of it to deny our property rights.

NathanKP 17y ago

I don't think the children were ever in any danger. If anything, having to jailbreak the iPad is more of a challenge and promotes the hacking spirit. Further on down the thread someone mentions the fact that in Turkey, most of the iPhone users, even non-power users, have jailbroken iPhones. I think that in this respect Apple's attempt at security may even promote hacking and jailbreaking. It may be a healthy experience to start with a locked device and have to jailbreak it.

gfodor 17y ago
Awesome observation. Going through the jailbreak process is almost like a rite of passage to hackerdom -- kind of neat if you think about it. I could see this becoming a formality 5-10 years from now that people go through for old-times sake, similar to how we always write "Hello World" whenever we start in a new language.
daeken 17y ago
It's the only reason I've ever been interested in Apple's mobile devices. I joined the iPhone Dev Team right after the iPhone came out and worked on it through the initial unlock. Once the challenge was gone, I moved on to greener pastures. It wasn't to get some specific goal (I never really installed any apps on my phone), but just to do it and have some fun. Everyone should reverse-engineer something like that at some point -- the feeling can't be beat.