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Because job listings are overwhelmingly asking for more than they mean. "10+ years experience" means "a couple years if we like you". "CS degree or similar requ

Because job listings are overwhelmingly asking for more than they mean. "10+ years experience" means "a couple years if we like you". "CS degree or similar required" may as well not be there on the listings that have it. The responsibility of figuring out whether they're qualified is yours, not the candidate's. How the hell is he supposed to know what your needs are? You should have figured this out in an email or quick phone screen. Additionally, you're a terrible interviewer if someone is failing miserably. There is no valuable data to use from this situation. Turn it down until they stop failing, and see how far it can be pushed. I'm sure you know this, but decided to be a prick instead. There's nothing dishonest about using wording from someone else's resume. If I did it and someone asked about it, I'd definitely say "I saw how someone else phrased it and found it really good, so I used it too" and obviously wouldn't put it down if it wasn't true. This guy probably would have said something similar if you didn't throw it in his face and make him so uncomfortable.

danso 10y ago
The unfairness of job listings -- much like the unfairness in getting published -- doesn't excuse plagiarism.
- whamlastxmas 10y ago
  The concept of it being amoral to plagiarize a resume is laughable. He's not creating some original piece of writing or trying to demonstrating his writing abilities. He's not submitting some piece of writing as part of his job responsibilities or for any sort of publication. He's conveying facts on a piece of paper that is handed to, at most, a few dozen people, who glance it at for about 20 seconds and then never see it again. He's not even implicitly claiming that everything on his resume is 100% unique, because more than half of resumes use the same structuring, wording, and general descriptive approaches. I thought this was common sense until your comment. Calling this plagiarism is like saying the sentence "By using our Services, you are agreeing to these terms" in a terms of service is plagiarizing whoever wound up writing that first. It's ridiculous.
  - SEJeff 10y ago
    Well it was my original work, that I spent a lot of time on. I found it terribly insulting that he blatantly ripped much of it off, AND that he couldn't at least back a single bit of it up. I guess you wouldn't mind if someone totally ripped off something you worked hard on and passed it off as their own? Totally cool, right?
  - danso 10y ago
    Then you have a differing opinion from me and SEJeff on what is needed to create a good résumé. If all it required were a reciting of simple facts, then presumably the candidate would not need to have copied from SEJeff. I don't have to look at other people's work when writing the school I attended or year that I graduated, or number of years that I have in some skillset. Perhaps you think that it wasn't actual plagiarism? That it could've been coincidence, or that SEJeff's phrasing is so routine that it doesn't count as something with real investment of thought? Have you tried Googling it? "Re-implemented the global dns/ldap setup for higher availability. Used keepalived for auto-failover" https://www.google.com/search?q="Re-implemented+the+global+dns%2Fldap+setup+for+higher+availability.+Used+keepalived+for+auto-failover"&oq="Re-implemented+the+global+dns%2Fldap+setup+for+higher+availability.+Used+keepalived+for+auto-failover" https://www.google.com/search?q="Re-implemented+the+global+d... There are exactly 5 results, 2 of them which originate from this current discussion. That's just one of the bulletpoints, nevermind the same 3 in the same order. For reference's sake, the odds that Melania Trump didn't plagiarize the following sentence from Michelle Obama -- values that you work hard for what you want in life that your word is your bond and you do what you say -- is about one in a trillion [0] [0] https://www.washingtonian.com/2016/07/19/we-ran-melania-trumps-speech-through-a-plagiarism-checker/ https://www.washingtonian.com/2016/07/19/we-ran-melania-trum...

danso 10y ago

The unfairness of job listings -- much like the unfairness in getting published -- doesn't excuse plagiarism.

whamlastxmas 10y ago
The concept of it being amoral to plagiarize a resume is laughable. He's not creating some original piece of writing or trying to demonstrating his writing abilities. He's not submitting some piece of writing as part of his job responsibilities or for any sort of publication. He's conveying facts on a piece of paper that is handed to, at most, a few dozen people, who glance it at for about 20 seconds and then never see it again. He's not even implicitly claiming that everything on his resume is 100% unique, because more than half of resumes use the same structuring, wording, and general descriptive approaches. I thought this was common sense until your comment. Calling this plagiarism is like saying the sentence "By using our Services, you are agreeing to these terms" in a terms of service is plagiarizing whoever wound up writing that first. It's ridiculous.
- SEJeff 10y ago
  Well it was my original work, that I spent a lot of time on. I found it terribly insulting that he blatantly ripped much of it off, AND that he couldn't at least back a single bit of it up. I guess you wouldn't mind if someone totally ripped off something you worked hard on and passed it off as their own? Totally cool, right?
- danso 10y ago
  Then you have a differing opinion from me and SEJeff on what is needed to create a good résumé. If all it required were a reciting of simple facts, then presumably the candidate would not need to have copied from SEJeff. I don't have to look at other people's work when writing the school I attended or year that I graduated, or number of years that I have in some skillset. Perhaps you think that it wasn't actual plagiarism? That it could've been coincidence, or that SEJeff's phrasing is so routine that it doesn't count as something with real investment of thought? Have you tried Googling it? "Re-implemented the global dns/ldap setup for higher availability. Used keepalived for auto-failover" https://www.google.com/search?q="Re-implemented+the+global+dns%2Fldap+setup+for+higher+availability.+Used+keepalived+for+auto-failover"&oq="Re-implemented+the+global+dns%2Fldap+setup+for+higher+availability.+Used+keepalived+for+auto-failover" https://www.google.com/search?q="Re-implemented+the+global+d... There are exactly 5 results, 2 of them which originate from this current discussion. That's just one of the bulletpoints, nevermind the same 3 in the same order. For reference's sake, the odds that Melania Trump didn't plagiarize the following sentence from Michelle Obama -- values that you work hard for what you want in life that your word is your bond and you do what you say -- is about one in a trillion [0] [0] https://www.washingtonian.com/2016/07/19/we-ran-melania-trumps-speech-through-a-plagiarism-checker/ https://www.washingtonian.com/2016/07/19/we-ran-melania-trum...