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Kinda like Valentine from Kingsman. I'm a bit apprehensive of their executive saying deep packet inspectionn will be the actual gold mine [http://qz.com/771690

by ap46 10y ago

Kinda like Valentine from Kingsman. I'm a bit apprehensive of their executive saying deep packet inspectionn will be the actual gold mine [http://qz.com/771690/reliance-jio-bombshell-the-good-the-bad-and-the-ugly/ http://qz.com/771690/reliance-jio-bombshell-the-good-the-bad...]

0xmohit 10y ago
Quoting: Privacy: An unnamed Jio executive mentioned “deep packet inspection” to Reuters, saying: “It’s called deep packet inspection, and what you can do with the analytics of that is mind-boggling,” he said, referring to a practice that digs into “packets” of data created by computers for efficiency, mining them for information. If this is happening and Jio is accessing data packets to develop patterns of user data consumption, this is a major privacy violation. The company deserves to be taken to court for this, as much as the India needs a privacy law. This essentially implies that they would earn more revenues by analyzing one's browsing behavior, performing analytics and selling the data. Awesome. Welcome to India!
- shubhamjain 10y ago
  I am not sure if "Big Data" is an accurate idea that fits Reliance's intentions to kick-start this. Surely, it sounds like a perfect recipe — onboard millions of customers and sell their 'data' — but on a secondary inspection it doesn't seems to be a smart idea. Can you even imagine the scale needed to process this kind of data? That's petabytes (rough estimate), every day. Maybe, it's theoretically possible but any investment in this kind of technology would be enormous. Browsing behaviour data maybe valuable but to what scale? Even a big advertising firm would balk at spending any big bucks for this and remember, the scale needed to mine any information out of this. How much valuable business insights can this generate that wasn't possible in the past? Maybe I am wrong but I'd be very skeptical if selling is their master plan.
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  - vthallam 10y ago
    Scale is not at all a problem here, but i am not sure how they plan to pull this off considering so many privacy violations. Also, may be some people in India won't mind accepting this if Reliance gives LTE internet at very low cost, others might not just use it i guess.
  - cjbenedikt 10y ago
    This may well work though: http://time.com/4471451/cathy-oneil-math-destruction/ http://time.com/4471451/cathy-oneil-math-destruction/
  - ismail 10y ago
    speaking from experience with dpi. We did a POC project on analysing dpi data with hadoop,spark and other big data data tech. You are right about the volumes, but wrong about it being impractical. The volumes with a relatively small opco: - +-7m subs - 250gb just for the protocol classification. * - Then you also have url logs etc Key factors that reduce the costs and investment: - commodity hardware (with hadoop etc) - distributed - query patterns - you do not need to store every single record. The data can be aggregated up to hourly, daily, monthly the older it is This is what we did, data was aggregated which significantly reduced storage. Tested various options: Hive, hbase, druid Edit: * per day
- jsudhams 10y ago
  Taking to court :) :) ... forget it...
- chimeracoder 10y ago
  > This essentially implies that they would earn more revenues by analyzing one's browsing behavior, performing analytics and selling the data. Awesome. Welcome to India! It's not like this is a uniquely Indian problem. The largest wireless provider in the US (Verizon) was caught doing basically exactly this, and other (broadband) telecom providers are trying to do the same.
eklavya 10y ago
I am reasonably sure that all other telecoms are doing this already. Attitude towards privacy of an average Indian leans towards "don't care". We seem to think privacy in numbers or something.
- geodel 10y ago
  Well if huge number of people are living in or very close to poverty I do not think data privacy is very high on their priority.
  - jsudhams 10y ago
    Yes it is true , very few people may about privacy and they wikl use VPN softwares on mobiles. Rest don't bother. Even if you run http site for user name password it is ok here except for financial transaction. But i am sure irrespective of the vendors all providers can do what they want the license of ISP they have but they need to keep meta data and they provide it to government as and when requested by Dept of Telecom , no warrant or court order required as it is covered in ISP license and CAF agreement with customer. This applies to all internet connection not just retail customers. I know airtel injects a page when i run out of the bandwidth even though my dns is google DNS.I would rather fight for food safety, health safety and garbage collection in cities(None of the major cities know how to do it and IT Hub is full of garbage everywhere) etc... than worry about any of these
  - dublinben 10y ago
    Data privacy shouldn't be a privilege for the wealthy. All internet users deserve the same rights in this regard.
    - nileshtrivedi 10y ago
      Question is: Should poor people not be allowed to forfeit some rights for things that they value more? In other words, should poor people not be allowed to enter into a contract? That's exactly what a CONTRACT is: Giving up some rights, in return for things that you didn't deserve before.

by ap46 10y ago

0xmohit 10y ago

Quoting: Privacy: An unnamed Jio executive mentioned “deep packet inspection” to Reuters, saying: “It’s called deep packet inspection, and what you can do with the analytics of that is mind-boggling,” he said, referring to a practice that digs into “packets” of data created by computers for efficiency, mining them for information. If this is happening and Jio is accessing data packets to develop patterns of user data consumption, this is a major privacy violation. The company deserves to be taken to court for this, as much as the India needs a privacy law. This essentially implies that they would earn more revenues by analyzing one's browsing behavior, performing analytics and selling the data. Awesome. Welcome to India!

shubhamjain 10y ago
I am not sure if "Big Data" is an accurate idea that fits Reliance's intentions to kick-start this. Surely, it sounds like a perfect recipe — onboard millions of customers and sell their 'data' — but on a secondary inspection it doesn't seems to be a smart idea. Can you even imagine the scale needed to process this kind of data? That's petabytes (rough estimate), every day. Maybe, it's theoretically possible but any investment in this kind of technology would be enormous. Browsing behaviour data maybe valuable but to what scale? Even a big advertising firm would balk at spending any big bucks for this and remember, the scale needed to mine any information out of this. How much valuable business insights can this generate that wasn't possible in the past? Maybe I am wrong but I'd be very skeptical if selling is their master plan.
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- vthallam 10y ago
  Scale is not at all a problem here, but i am not sure how they plan to pull this off considering so many privacy violations. Also, may be some people in India won't mind accepting this if Reliance gives LTE internet at very low cost, others might not just use it i guess.
- cjbenedikt 10y ago
  This may well work though: http://time.com/4471451/cathy-oneil-math-destruction/ http://time.com/4471451/cathy-oneil-math-destruction/
- ismail 10y ago
  speaking from experience with dpi. We did a POC project on analysing dpi data with hadoop,spark and other big data data tech. You are right about the volumes, but wrong about it being impractical. The volumes with a relatively small opco: - +-7m subs - 250gb just for the protocol classification. * - Then you also have url logs etc Key factors that reduce the costs and investment: - commodity hardware (with hadoop etc) - distributed - query patterns - you do not need to store every single record. The data can be aggregated up to hourly, daily, monthly the older it is This is what we did, data was aggregated which significantly reduced storage. Tested various options: Hive, hbase, druid Edit: * per day
jsudhams 10y ago
Taking to court :) :) ... forget it...
chimeracoder 10y ago
> This essentially implies that they would earn more revenues by analyzing one's browsing behavior, performing analytics and selling the data. Awesome. Welcome to India! It's not like this is a uniquely Indian problem. The largest wireless provider in the US (Verizon) was caught doing basically exactly this, and other (broadband) telecom providers are trying to do the same.

eklavya 10y ago

I am reasonably sure that all other telecoms are doing this already. Attitude towards privacy of an average Indian leans towards "don't care". We seem to think privacy in numbers or something.

geodel 10y ago
Well if huge number of people are living in or very close to poverty I do not think data privacy is very high on their priority.
- jsudhams 10y ago
  Yes it is true , very few people may about privacy and they wikl use VPN softwares on mobiles. Rest don't bother. Even if you run http site for user name password it is ok here except for financial transaction. But i am sure irrespective of the vendors all providers can do what they want the license of ISP they have but they need to keep meta data and they provide it to government as and when requested by Dept of Telecom , no warrant or court order required as it is covered in ISP license and CAF agreement with customer. This applies to all internet connection not just retail customers. I know airtel injects a page when i run out of the bandwidth even though my dns is google DNS.I would rather fight for food safety, health safety and garbage collection in cities(None of the major cities know how to do it and IT Hub is full of garbage everywhere) etc... than worry about any of these
- dublinben 10y ago
  Data privacy shouldn't be a privilege for the wealthy. All internet users deserve the same rights in this regard.
  - nileshtrivedi 10y ago
    Question is: Should poor people not be allowed to forfeit some rights for things that they value more? In other words, should poor people not be allowed to enter into a contract? That's exactly what a CONTRACT is: Giving up some rights, in return for things that you didn't deserve before.