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I'm clearly in minority here on HN, but living in EU and hearing about their legislation, I'm pretty sure that Apple with their overpriced products and cheap fa

by comboy 10y ago

I'm clearly in minority here on HN, but living in EU and hearing about their legislation, I'm pretty sure that Apple with their overpriced products and cheap factories in China can still make more positive impact in the world with that money than any EU gov or European Union. Of course these ponderings should be irrelevant. If law would be simpler without unnecessary millions of complications (and new ones added every day), then it's just boolean. They broke the law by not paying necessary taxes or they didn't. Not much to discuss.

blub 10y ago
The EU has had a massive positive effect on former soviet countries. It was and is very successful in preventing conflicts and war within Europe. Smartphones and computers simply can't compete with that.
- kbart 10y ago
  The EU has had a massive positive effect on former soviet countries. I live in a former Soviet Union country and I can confirm that. Since we've joined EU in 2004 things have improved really massively in pretty much every aspect. Sure, we are still way behind the old western countries, but comparing to other former Soviet Union states that did not join EU, the contrast is staggering.
- wott 10y ago
  > It was and is very successful in preventing conflicts and war within Europe. Interesting but completely baseless new myth.
  - SEMW 10y ago
    > Interesting but completely baseless new myth. Preventing war has been an explicit aim of European integration going back to the beginning. From the Schuman declaration (1950, founding document of the ECSC): "The solidarity in production thus established will make it plain that any war between France and Germany becomes not merely unthinkable, but materially impossible"[0]. This principle has been widely accepted in Europe for the last 65 years. You may of course disagree that economic integration is the main reason for the lack of intraeuropean wars since then (especially compared to the previous few millennia), but dismissing it as a "myth" is at very least least a surprising claim that requires some actual argument to back it up, and "new" is just factually incorrect. [0] http://www.robert-schuman.eu/en/declaration-of-9-may-1950 http://www.robert-schuman.eu/en/declaration-of-9-may-1950
  - antientropic 10y ago
    A "new myth"? It's why the EU received the 2012 Nobel peace prize: http://www.nobelprize.org/nobel_prizes/peace/laureates/2012/ http://www.nobelprize.org/nobel_prizes/peace/laureates/2012/

by comboy 10y ago

blub 10y ago

The EU has had a massive positive effect on former soviet countries. It was and is very successful in preventing conflicts and war within Europe. Smartphones and computers simply can't compete with that.

kbart 10y ago
The EU has had a massive positive effect on former soviet countries. I live in a former Soviet Union country and I can confirm that. Since we've joined EU in 2004 things have improved really massively in pretty much every aspect. Sure, we are still way behind the old western countries, but comparing to other former Soviet Union states that did not join EU, the contrast is staggering.
wott 10y ago
> It was and is very successful in preventing conflicts and war within Europe. Interesting but completely baseless new myth.
- SEMW 10y ago
  > Interesting but completely baseless new myth. Preventing war has been an explicit aim of European integration going back to the beginning. From the Schuman declaration (1950, founding document of the ECSC): "The solidarity in production thus established will make it plain that any war between France and Germany becomes not merely unthinkable, but materially impossible"[0]. This principle has been widely accepted in Europe for the last 65 years. You may of course disagree that economic integration is the main reason for the lack of intraeuropean wars since then (especially compared to the previous few millennia), but dismissing it as a "myth" is at very least least a surprising claim that requires some actual argument to back it up, and "new" is just factually incorrect. [0] http://www.robert-schuman.eu/en/declaration-of-9-may-1950 http://www.robert-schuman.eu/en/declaration-of-9-may-1950
- antientropic 10y ago
  A "new myth"? It's why the EU received the 2012 Nobel peace prize: http://www.nobelprize.org/nobel_prizes/peace/laureates/2012/ http://www.nobelprize.org/nobel_prizes/peace/laureates/2012/