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You can get server grade hardware with the PX line at Hetzner, which is a bit more expensive of course. And an internal network is possible as well from what I

You can get server grade hardware with the PX line at Hetzner, which is a bit more expensive of course. And an internal network is possible as well from what I read, though you have to pay for the Flexi pack because it counts as a modification of your server.

nik736 10y ago
The internal network is a joke, it only works if you have all of your servers in one rack and you need to rent a switch to connect all of them. Online.net has a real RPN where you can add SAN storage to it etc etc. The PX line is a Fujitsu Desktop PC with a server CPU and ECC Ram. For me that's a compromise I don't really like. Also the network is a bit shitty since they don't route through DTAG (largest german carrier), you have to pay a premium so that they activate it for you, and that's only one thing that feels weird about Hetzner. Of course I understand the reasoning behind it, but still, why should I choose Hetzner if I can get a way better solution from Online.net?
- lossolo 10y ago
  If you need xx TB storage servers then you will not find any cheaper hardware + storage + network option in EU than in hetzner. I have storage servers there.
  - nik736 10y ago
    That's true, I agree. If you just need cheap storage Hetzner is probably the way to go. On the other hand, if you need 24x 1 TB SSD storage with a 10gbit RPN connection: https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CblcJ2pUUAAtbhK.jpg https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CblcJ2pUUAAtbhK.jpg :-)
    - mysterydip 10y ago
      Are those R730XD's, or SC4020's? Can't tell from the pic. Either way, super cool!
      - nik736 10y ago
        Apparently R730(XD): https://www.online.net/en/dedicated-server/dedibox-st24-ssd https://www.online.net/en/dedicated-server/dedibox-st24-ssd
  - cahuk 10y ago
    Yep, true. I use a used dedicated server for backup with FreeBSD w/ ZFS and 2 3 TB disks in mirrored ZFS. I pay 36 EUR/m for this setup. I think you must be lucky to get a similar setup for the same price from online.net.
- mikmak 10y ago
  regarding DTAG it's wrong (or outdated ?), we have a peering through HOPUS (hopus.net) since a few months with them : mma@duvel:(~) mtr -rwc4 93.210.14.100 Start: Thu Sep 1 12:45:41 2016 HOST: duvel Loss% Snt Last Avg Best Wrst StDev 1.|-- 62.210.128.13 0.0% 4 0.3 0.3 0.3 0.4 0.0 2.|-- 195.154.1.20 0.0% 4 0.4 0.4 0.3 0.4 0.0 3.|-- 195.154.1.16 0.0% 4 0.8 0.8 0.7 0.9 0.0 4.|-- lag-online-1.dc3-1.rt.hopus.net 0.0% 4 0.4 0.4 0.4 0.5 0.0 5.|-- lag-pop-dc3-2.dc3-1.rt.hopus.net 0.0% 4 9.1 2.8 0.4 9.1 4.2 6.|-- lag-pop-std-1.dc3-1.rt.hopus.net 0.0% 4 0.7 0.9 0.7 1.5 0.0 7.|-- 62.159.61.37 0.0% 4 1.7 2.8 1.7 4.5 1.2 8.|-- 62.159.99.230 0.0% 4 22.1 22.0 22.0 22.1 0.0 9.|-- 87.186.202.209 0.0% 4 22.9 22.9 22.9 22.9 0.0 10.|-- p5DD20E64.dip0.t-ipconnect.de 0.0% 4 48.5 119.1 48.3 329.9 140.6 Mik (Network Manager Online.net)
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  - nik736 10y ago
    I was talking about the Hetzner network, not yours :-)
    - mikmak 10y ago
      ho sorry, misread you :)
- mschuster91 10y ago
  > Also the network is a bit shitty since they don't route through DTAG (largest german carrier) Because DTAG is a bunch of <insert choice swear word here>. What they did and continue to do to site/net ops, is amounting to extortion. It's good that Hetzner stands up to Telekom, lots of other net ops simply pay the extortion fee.
  - nik736 10y ago
    Yes, I agree, but as a customer that sucks. The customer is the one who suffers, Hetzner is the one who wins coz they don't have to pay.
jwr 10y ago
The main reason why we migrated our servers from Hetzner to OVH is Hetzner's hard drive policy. Basically, if one of your drives fails, they will swap it for… another failing drive. You will keep getting various refurbished or re-tested drives. Basically, if it passes their test, it is considered a good drive, even if SMART shows a history of errors. Obviously, these drives do not last very long, so you end up with hardware that fails more and more often as time passes. Makes you look bad in front of customers. I guess it's a matter of pricing — Hetzner is relatively cheap, and you get what you pay for. But you should know what you're getting.
- easychris 10y ago
  You can pay around €50 to get a new drive - and you can skip the proof that the drive failed or is failing. For us we always choose this option as soon as we see SMART problems arising. Even with occasional drive failures the overall costs are so much lower than cloud hosting or self-owned hardware.

nik736 10y ago

The internal network is a joke, it only works if you have all of your servers in one rack and you need to rent a switch to connect all of them. Online.net has a real RPN where you can add SAN storage to it etc etc. The PX line is a Fujitsu Desktop PC with a server CPU and ECC Ram. For me that's a compromise I don't really like. Also the network is a bit shitty since they don't route through DTAG (largest german carrier), you have to pay a premium so that they activate it for you, and that's only one thing that feels weird about Hetzner. Of course I understand the reasoning behind it, but still, why should I choose Hetzner if I can get a way better solution from Online.net?

lossolo 10y ago
If you need xx TB storage servers then you will not find any cheaper hardware + storage + network option in EU than in hetzner. I have storage servers there.
- nik736 10y ago
  That's true, I agree. If you just need cheap storage Hetzner is probably the way to go. On the other hand, if you need 24x 1 TB SSD storage with a 10gbit RPN connection: https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CblcJ2pUUAAtbhK.jpg https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CblcJ2pUUAAtbhK.jpg :-)
  - mysterydip 10y ago
    Are those R730XD's, or SC4020's? Can't tell from the pic. Either way, super cool!
    - nik736 10y ago
      Apparently R730(XD): https://www.online.net/en/dedicated-server/dedibox-st24-ssd https://www.online.net/en/dedicated-server/dedibox-st24-ssd
- cahuk 10y ago
  Yep, true. I use a used dedicated server for backup with FreeBSD w/ ZFS and 2 3 TB disks in mirrored ZFS. I pay 36 EUR/m for this setup. I think you must be lucky to get a similar setup for the same price from online.net.
mikmak 10y ago
regarding DTAG it's wrong (or outdated ?), we have a peering through HOPUS (hopus.net) since a few months with them : mma@duvel:(~) mtr -rwc4 93.210.14.100 Start: Thu Sep 1 12:45:41 2016 HOST: duvel Loss% Snt Last Avg Best Wrst StDev 1.|-- 62.210.128.13 0.0% 4 0.3 0.3 0.3 0.4 0.0 2.|-- 195.154.1.20 0.0% 4 0.4 0.4 0.3 0.4 0.0 3.|-- 195.154.1.16 0.0% 4 0.8 0.8 0.7 0.9 0.0 4.|-- lag-online-1.dc3-1.rt.hopus.net 0.0% 4 0.4 0.4 0.4 0.5 0.0 5.|-- lag-pop-dc3-2.dc3-1.rt.hopus.net 0.0% 4 9.1 2.8 0.4 9.1 4.2 6.|-- lag-pop-std-1.dc3-1.rt.hopus.net 0.0% 4 0.7 0.9 0.7 1.5 0.0 7.|-- 62.159.61.37 0.0% 4 1.7 2.8 1.7 4.5 1.2 8.|-- 62.159.99.230 0.0% 4 22.1 22.0 22.0 22.1 0.0 9.|-- 87.186.202.209 0.0% 4 22.9 22.9 22.9 22.9 0.0 10.|-- p5DD20E64.dip0.t-ipconnect.de 0.0% 4 48.5 119.1 48.3 329.9 140.6 Mik (Network Manager Online.net)
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- nik736 10y ago
  I was talking about the Hetzner network, not yours :-)
  - mikmak 10y ago
    ho sorry, misread you :)
mschuster91 10y ago
> Also the network is a bit shitty since they don't route through DTAG (largest german carrier) Because DTAG is a bunch of <insert choice swear word here>. What they did and continue to do to site/net ops, is amounting to extortion. It's good that Hetzner stands up to Telekom, lots of other net ops simply pay the extortion fee.
- nik736 10y ago
  Yes, I agree, but as a customer that sucks. The customer is the one who suffers, Hetzner is the one who wins coz they don't have to pay.

jwr 10y ago

The main reason why we migrated our servers from Hetzner to OVH is Hetzner's hard drive policy. Basically, if one of your drives fails, they will swap it for… another failing drive. You will keep getting various refurbished or re-tested drives. Basically, if it passes their test, it is considered a good drive, even if SMART shows a history of errors. Obviously, these drives do not last very long, so you end up with hardware that fails more and more often as time passes. Makes you look bad in front of customers. I guess it's a matter of pricing — Hetzner is relatively cheap, and you get what you pay for. But you should know what you're getting.

easychris 10y ago
You can pay around €50 to get a new drive - and you can skip the proof that the drive failed or is failing. For us we always choose this option as soon as we see SMART problems arising. Even with occasional drive failures the overall costs are so much lower than cloud hosting or self-owned hardware.