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Forgive me, but I think you've misunderstood something here. The most important thing about the cuckoo is that your bucket choice functions (i.e. hashing functi

Forgive me, but I think you've misunderstood something here. The most important thing about the cuckoo is that your bucket choice functions (i.e. hashing function) are independent. If two keys hash to the same first choice bucket, their alternate hashes will (almost certainly) hash to DIFFERENT buckets. For instance, take the SHA-1 of the key. Your first bucket choice is defined by the first x bits, your second bucket choice is defined by the next x bits. But inside a bucket, you can have a bunch of slots. It works like this. A typical sizing is 4 slots in a bucket, with 2 bucket choices. So your first choice, you arrive at a bucket, and it is just a linear array of length 4. You can put your element anywhere! After a while, when you go to insert into your first choice and you find all 4 slots taken, then you can take ANY of those and try to put it in its alternate bucket. If that alternate bucket is full, you evict from that bucket, too! Thanks to the random nature of your hash functions, it works out very well. 2 bucket 4 slot gets you near 95% occupancy without many evictions on insert. When you go to lookup, you check your first bucket, and you check all 4 elements until you find it. If you don't find it, you go to your alternate bucket and check all 4 elements. But that's it - only two random accesses (the 4 slots will easily fit in a cache line). It's not so bad to check all 4 elements because the cost is really dominated by loading the line to begin with. I really recommend a read of some of the cuckoo papers, it's cool stuff.

pbasista 10y ago
I am aware that using buckets the way you have described works fine for the cuckoo hashing collision resolution technique. But it would not help to ensure the same kind of locality of memory references as you would get using the linear probing. I do not know what exactly the commenter meant by suggesting to use buckets. I assumed (as the conversation is predominantly about the locality of memory references) that they suggested to use buckets in order to avoid two (or more) cache misses. And I just pointed out that it would be a bad trade-off, because then the cuckoo algorithm would only operate within a bucket and the expected load factors would be low.
- nkurz 10y ago
  And I just pointed out that it would be a bad trade-off, because then the cuckoo algorithm would only operate within a bucket and the expected load factors would be low. Like 'cmurphycode', I think you might be misinterpreting something about how the buckets would be used. The buckets are in addition to the multiple hashes (which I think some authors call 'ways'). A good number of buckets would those sufficient to fill 1 or 2 cachelines, since these are going to already be fetched from memory as a unit. The idea is that you fetch the full buckets from 2 (or more) independent hashes, and then sift through them linearly without further memory accesses. The terminology for cuckoo hashes is poor, but I think "buckets", "bins", and "slots" are all synonyms depending on whose description you are using. By "using buckets", the idea is to have (at least) two regions in consecutive memory where the item will be if it exists. I think this paper offers a reasonable terminology: http://www.cs.princeton.edu/~xl/Publications_files/cuckoo-eurosys14.pdf http://www.cs.princeton.edu/~xl/Publications_files/cuckoo-eu.... They use a "num_hashes, num_buckets" pair to describe variations. The classic version is a "2,1-cuckoo": you create two hashes from the key, and look in one bucket in each location. Li et al. suggest that a "2,4-cuckoo" works allows much easier insertions at high density.
  - pbasista 10y ago
    > The idea is that you fetch the full buckets from 2 (or more) independent hashes, and then sift through them linearly without further memory accesses Maybe. How do you know what the commenter (erichocean) meant? If they say that using "buckets" can mean the same locality of memory references as linear probing, their interpretation of what "buckets" mean must deal with that problem in some way.
    - nkurz 10y ago
      > How do you know what the commenter (erichocean) meant? Because "bucket" is a well-defined term-of-the-art with regard to cuckoo hashes, because Erich has demonstrated deep knowledge of similar algorithms in the past, because I've been thinking about improving the memory locality of cuckoo hashes for years, and because I would have used approximately the same phrasing as Erich did to describe the memory locality advantages of "buckets". If they say that using "buckets" can mean the same locality of memory references as linear probing, their interpretation of what "buckets" mean must deal with that problem in some way. Not only do buckets "deal" with locality, because of the granular nature of cachelines and parallel abilities of memory controllers, searching two compact small regions turns out to be just as searching one region of twice the size. Vectorized linear probing and SIMD cuckoo hashes are so similar that your question very likely indicates that you are not using the same terminology as others are. Here's paper that offers a good comparison: Rethinking SIMD Vectorization for In-Memory Databases Polychroniou, Roghaven, and Ross (2015) http://www.cs.columbia.edu/~orestis/sigmod15.pdf http://www.cs.columbia.edu/~orestis/sigmod15.pdf

pbasista 10y ago

I am aware that using buckets the way you have described works fine for the cuckoo hashing collision resolution technique. But it would not help to ensure the same kind of locality of memory references as you would get using the linear probing. I do not know what exactly the commenter meant by suggesting to use buckets. I assumed (as the conversation is predominantly about the locality of memory references) that they suggested to use buckets in order to avoid two (or more) cache misses. And I just pointed out that it would be a bad trade-off, because then the cuckoo algorithm would only operate within a bucket and the expected load factors would be low.

nkurz 10y ago
And I just pointed out that it would be a bad trade-off, because then the cuckoo algorithm would only operate within a bucket and the expected load factors would be low. Like 'cmurphycode', I think you might be misinterpreting something about how the buckets would be used. The buckets are in addition to the multiple hashes (which I think some authors call 'ways'). A good number of buckets would those sufficient to fill 1 or 2 cachelines, since these are going to already be fetched from memory as a unit. The idea is that you fetch the full buckets from 2 (or more) independent hashes, and then sift through them linearly without further memory accesses. The terminology for cuckoo hashes is poor, but I think "buckets", "bins", and "slots" are all synonyms depending on whose description you are using. By "using buckets", the idea is to have (at least) two regions in consecutive memory where the item will be if it exists. I think this paper offers a reasonable terminology: http://www.cs.princeton.edu/~xl/Publications_files/cuckoo-eurosys14.pdf http://www.cs.princeton.edu/~xl/Publications_files/cuckoo-eu.... They use a "num_hashes, num_buckets" pair to describe variations. The classic version is a "2,1-cuckoo": you create two hashes from the key, and look in one bucket in each location. Li et al. suggest that a "2,4-cuckoo" works allows much easier insertions at high density.
- pbasista 10y ago
  > The idea is that you fetch the full buckets from 2 (or more) independent hashes, and then sift through them linearly without further memory accesses Maybe. How do you know what the commenter (erichocean) meant? If they say that using "buckets" can mean the same locality of memory references as linear probing, their interpretation of what "buckets" mean must deal with that problem in some way.
  - nkurz 10y ago
    > How do you know what the commenter (erichocean) meant? Because "bucket" is a well-defined term-of-the-art with regard to cuckoo hashes, because Erich has demonstrated deep knowledge of similar algorithms in the past, because I've been thinking about improving the memory locality of cuckoo hashes for years, and because I would have used approximately the same phrasing as Erich did to describe the memory locality advantages of "buckets". If they say that using "buckets" can mean the same locality of memory references as linear probing, their interpretation of what "buckets" mean must deal with that problem in some way. Not only do buckets "deal" with locality, because of the granular nature of cachelines and parallel abilities of memory controllers, searching two compact small regions turns out to be just as searching one region of twice the size. Vectorized linear probing and SIMD cuckoo hashes are so similar that your question very likely indicates that you are not using the same terminology as others are. Here's paper that offers a good comparison: Rethinking SIMD Vectorization for In-Memory Databases Polychroniou, Roghaven, and Ross (2015) http://www.cs.columbia.edu/~orestis/sigmod15.pdf http://www.cs.columbia.edu/~orestis/sigmod15.pdf