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What would stop journals from blacklisting scientists who publish their articles under open access laws? Would anyone publish their article if they knew it mea

• dragonwriter 10y ago
  > What would stop journals from blacklisting scientists who publish their articles under open access laws? Nothing; of course, that just hastens the death of the journal system.
• ZenoArrow 10y ago
  What difference would that make? Getting into journals like Nature is about getting research shared amongst fellow researchers. The value that journals add is in curating interesting research so a busy scientist can still keep up to date with the key developments in the field. With open access it'll be easier than ever for new curators to emerge.
  • hackuser 10y ago
    The value that journals provide is identifying high-value research for other scientists to read, and also for the researchers' employers and funders who use it as a basis to decide whether to hire the researchers, give them tenure, or fund them.
    • ZenoArrow 10y ago
      > "The value that journals provide is identifying high-value research for other scientists to read" As I said before, curation. > "and also for the researchers' employers and funders who use it as a basis to decide whether to hire the researchers, give them tenure, or fund them." If that's true, sounds like it's time for the processes around hiring of science staff to get an overhaul.
    • Aaargh20318 10y ago
      > The value that journals provide is identifying high-value research for other scientists to read No, it's other scientists who do that for the journals, for free. They can just as well do it for any other publication. The only value journals add is printing it on a piece of paper. So basically they provide the same value as a €30 Deskjet.
• jomamaxx 10y ago
  "What would stop journals from blacklisting scientists who publish their articles under open access laws?" I think there would just be far too many of them. Moreover, the Scientists could feign that they were not possibly involved in the alternative distribution of it. I think 'blacklisting' would be an aggressive posture, and likely viewed as unethical, it's not something they could likely get away with. I think the 'prestige' of being published in Nature etc. will outweigh most concerns.
  • readams 10y ago
    It would be similarly aggressive if a journal were to sue a scientist for copyright infringement for posting their own work.
• PeterisP 10y ago
  This law removes legal restrictions that might have made it impossible for researchers to openly redistribute those articles. But this will generally be combined with grant funding rules that require to provide the research results under open access conditions. So yes, people will publish their articles because they are willing to jump through almost any hoops to fulfill the funding requirements; and blacklisting is unlikely since in that case they'd have to blacklist all France now and generally all EU, which is slowly but strongly moving to a requirement to have all EU-funded research published with free access.
• pmontra 10y ago
  Exactly. That's the problem with giving the authors only the right to make articles publicly available and not forcing them to do so. That would have removed any pressure from the editors. Actually, they could be pressured not to accept public funding >= 50%, but then the editors should find somebody else to pay that money.