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you find it odd that a lawyer would take this case? you must not know many lawyers. here in colorado, we've allowed them to advertise their services. almost

you find it odd that a lawyer would take this case? you must not know many lawyers. here in colorado, we've allowed them to advertise their services. almost all of daytime tv is inundated with ads for ambulance chasing shit slingers.

Broken_Hippo 10y ago
Yeah, in a way. At some point, doesn't a reasonable person stop to say, "This is quite ridiculous, isn't it?" I forget about those commercials, honestly. I remember a few from Indiana some years back, but disconnected from TV and switched countries since then (and that could affect my viewpoint). I don't view those folks well - but at least occasionally they wind up actually taking justifiable cases. Again, though, the safety net thing would render them unnecessary in many cases.
- meddlepal 10y ago
  A good lawyer will generally advise you not to take on near unbeatable odds or politely decline to take a case like this.
  - jessaustin 10y ago
    The "good" lawyers should start taking some responsibility for the shit lawyers like "Marc Bern" mentioned in TFA. Law is still considered a profession, by some people anyway. Physicians don't let other physicians sell snake oil; why are lawyers and judges comfortable doing that? However the "good" lawyers in this case are also scumbags. On an open-and-shut case like this, in which the plaintiffs spent $22k on expert testimony, how is it reasonable for the defense to spend $500k? It isn't clear from TFA that defense expenses will have to be paid for the state-level suit, but if so most of that should be thrown out. If in fact the federal judge doesn't throw out most of the apparently >$700k federal expenses, the two explanations for that would be corruption (of course) and a fit of pique against the intransigent four for not respecting his authoritay. Incidentally TFA is a mess. Why does it use the defense expenses for the state trial to calculate what the federal plaintiffs will have to pay?
    - dogma1138 10y ago
      >Physicians don't let other physicians sell snake oil; Eh? do you know how many BS "Doctor" (MD, Ph.D. And Wannabe) sites, tv and radio shows, segments and infomercials that sell snaken oil (and in many cases simple snake poison) are out there?
      - jessaustin 10y ago
        No I don't know. Regardless, one wouldn't hold physicians responsible for the actions of PhDs and other charlatans. If a snake oil salesperson claims to be an MD (or DO?) on the internet, one could believe that or not. When I am treated by physicians, they are held to the standards of their profession. If I consulted an attorney, that wouldn't be the case.
        dogma1138 10y ago
        There are plenty of MD's which are utter charlatans and sell considerably worse things than snake oil and they aren't being called out by physicians everywhere. Both physicians and attorneys are held to the standards of their profession both of them have code of ethic they have to follow, and both of them are liable for their actions. Just like physicians lose their licenses over gross misconducts attorney are disbarred all the time. If an attorney can be proven to have acted not in the interests of client, not in good faith, was negligent etc. they can be sued for legal malpractice even if the bar does not investigates them directly. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Legal_malpractice https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Legal_malpractice People can be selfish assholes regardless of their profession, there is nothing inherently more just or ethical in the actions of physicians over any other profession.
        lintiness 10y ago
        lawyers serve clients and a system; they aren't paid to give a shit about the truth (or justice for that matter), and most don't.
        10y ago

Broken_Hippo 10y ago

Yeah, in a way. At some point, doesn't a reasonable person stop to say, "This is quite ridiculous, isn't it?" I forget about those commercials, honestly. I remember a few from Indiana some years back, but disconnected from TV and switched countries since then (and that could affect my viewpoint). I don't view those folks well - but at least occasionally they wind up actually taking justifiable cases. Again, though, the safety net thing would render them unnecessary in many cases.

meddlepal 10y ago
A good lawyer will generally advise you not to take on near unbeatable odds or politely decline to take a case like this.
- jessaustin 10y ago
  The "good" lawyers should start taking some responsibility for the shit lawyers like "Marc Bern" mentioned in TFA. Law is still considered a profession, by some people anyway. Physicians don't let other physicians sell snake oil; why are lawyers and judges comfortable doing that? However the "good" lawyers in this case are also scumbags. On an open-and-shut case like this, in which the plaintiffs spent $22k on expert testimony, how is it reasonable for the defense to spend $500k? It isn't clear from TFA that defense expenses will have to be paid for the state-level suit, but if so most of that should be thrown out. If in fact the federal judge doesn't throw out most of the apparently >$700k federal expenses, the two explanations for that would be corruption (of course) and a fit of pique against the intransigent four for not respecting his authoritay. Incidentally TFA is a mess. Why does it use the defense expenses for the state trial to calculate what the federal plaintiffs will have to pay?
  - dogma1138 10y ago
    >Physicians don't let other physicians sell snake oil; Eh? do you know how many BS "Doctor" (MD, Ph.D. And Wannabe) sites, tv and radio shows, segments and infomercials that sell snaken oil (and in many cases simple snake poison) are out there?
    - jessaustin 10y ago
      No I don't know. Regardless, one wouldn't hold physicians responsible for the actions of PhDs and other charlatans. If a snake oil salesperson claims to be an MD (or DO?) on the internet, one could believe that or not. When I am treated by physicians, they are held to the standards of their profession. If I consulted an attorney, that wouldn't be the case.
      - dogma1138 10y ago
        There are plenty of MD's which are utter charlatans and sell considerably worse things than snake oil and they aren't being called out by physicians everywhere. Both physicians and attorneys are held to the standards of their profession both of them have code of ethic they have to follow, and both of them are liable for their actions. Just like physicians lose their licenses over gross misconducts attorney are disbarred all the time. If an attorney can be proven to have acted not in the interests of client, not in good faith, was negligent etc. they can be sued for legal malpractice even if the bar does not investigates them directly. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Legal_malpractice https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Legal_malpractice People can be selfish assholes regardless of their profession, there is nothing inherently more just or ethical in the actions of physicians over any other profession.
        lintiness 10y ago
        lawyers serve clients and a system; they aren't paid to give a shit about the truth (or justice for that matter), and most don't.
        10y ago