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But my point is that it can be enjoyed solely for the taste - whether you like it or not, there is at least an element of flavour choice when it comes to alcoho

But my point is that it can be enjoyed solely for the taste - whether you like it or not, there is at least an element of flavour choice when it comes to alcohol. It's an exceptionally skewed view to totally dismiss the taste aspect - whereas I've yet to hear anyone mention that drugs can be taken for any other reason than for their (even if only slight) mind altering affects. Plenty of people would pair a nice red with their pasta even if it had no other impact on their mental faculties, same with other drinks and food. I'm perplexed at such an unhealthy view of alcohol.

Nursie 10y ago
>> Plenty of people would pair a nice red with their pasta even if it had no other impact on their mental faculties If it had no effect they likely wouldn't have acquired the taste, so I doubt very much they would in significant numbers, no. There is an element of flavoir choice. But just look at how many concoctions there are that are, at least the popular ones, designed specifically to make drinking alcohol a more flavourful experience, and to hide the taste of the base alcohol as much as possible while still getting it into the drinker. I'm sorry, I just don't believe that, absent the positive effects of the alcohol, anyone would drink much booze.
- CoryG89 10y ago
  For the most part I would agree with you, but historically this hasn't always been the case. Before modern times, the quality of water was terrible pretty much everywhere. Because of this, many regularly drank alcoholic drinks instead of water because it was cleaner due to the alcohol it contained. Although they weren't drinking it because it paired well with their pasta, many times they also weren't drinking it because of the impact on their mental faculties.
  - Nursie 10y ago
    While this is true, there might not have been much alcohol or much flavour in small beer. And it's probably the boiling proces that really saved them, they just didn't know!
Nursie 10y ago
Oh and IMHO, people are drinking that glass of red because they like the feeling of what a small dose of alcohol does to them. It's all bound up in the taste acquisition. FYI one can teach oneself to enjoy the taste of amphetamines, if one creates enough positive associations with their use. I've been there.
Practicality 10y ago
I am with you on this. I've had some pretty awesome flavors coming from alcoholic drinks. It's expensive, and I don't make any friends by drinking expensive drinks (my friends don't really care) I would love to see someone make "virgin" versions of various stronger drinks I like, but so far they don't taste anywhere near as good. It sincerely annoys me that drinks make me sleepy and such. I'm only having one or two, but I would like to still be able to study and play chess, AND have nice flavors. I've even starting trying to find creative ways to water them down without losing flavor so I can enjoy them without the side-effects. (I should probably mention that I don't really enjoy "sweet" flavors, so part of it is that only alcoholic drinks get the bitter/sour flavors done well)
- BatFastard 10y ago
  I like the idea, it would allow me to enjoy those drinks without the "downside". Since it makes me sleepy too unless I am engage in a rigorous physical behavior.

Nursie 10y ago

>> Plenty of people would pair a nice red with their pasta even if it had no other impact on their mental faculties If it had no effect they likely wouldn't have acquired the taste, so I doubt very much they would in significant numbers, no. There is an element of flavoir choice. But just look at how many concoctions there are that are, at least the popular ones, designed specifically to make drinking alcohol a more flavourful experience, and to hide the taste of the base alcohol as much as possible while still getting it into the drinker. I'm sorry, I just don't believe that, absent the positive effects of the alcohol, anyone would drink much booze.

CoryG89 10y ago
For the most part I would agree with you, but historically this hasn't always been the case. Before modern times, the quality of water was terrible pretty much everywhere. Because of this, many regularly drank alcoholic drinks instead of water because it was cleaner due to the alcohol it contained. Although they weren't drinking it because it paired well with their pasta, many times they also weren't drinking it because of the impact on their mental faculties.
- Nursie 10y ago
  While this is true, there might not have been much alcohol or much flavour in small beer. And it's probably the boiling proces that really saved them, they just didn't know!

Nursie 10y ago

Oh and IMHO, people are drinking that glass of red because they like the feeling of what a small dose of alcohol does to them. It's all bound up in the taste acquisition. FYI one can teach oneself to enjoy the taste of amphetamines, if one creates enough positive associations with their use. I've been there.

Practicality 10y ago

I am with you on this. I've had some pretty awesome flavors coming from alcoholic drinks. It's expensive, and I don't make any friends by drinking expensive drinks (my friends don't really care) I would love to see someone make "virgin" versions of various stronger drinks I like, but so far they don't taste anywhere near as good. It sincerely annoys me that drinks make me sleepy and such. I'm only having one or two, but I would like to still be able to study and play chess, AND have nice flavors. I've even starting trying to find creative ways to water them down without losing flavor so I can enjoy them without the side-effects. (I should probably mention that I don't really enjoy "sweet" flavors, so part of it is that only alcoholic drinks get the bitter/sour flavors done well)

BatFastard 10y ago
I like the idea, it would allow me to enjoy those drinks without the "downside". Since it makes me sleepy too unless I am engage in a rigorous physical behavior.