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Yes, more or less! It's quite hilarious to see how a certain class of developers think (or portray) that something is skeuomorphic, and therefore, undesirable,

Yes, more or less! It's quite hilarious to see how a certain class of developers think (or portray) that something is skeuomorphic, and therefore, undesirable, when in fact there is nothing (zilch!) in software that is not stemmed on skeumorphic thinking. Starting from Object Oriented Programming to visual design, everything in software is a skeuomorphic inspiration of what we have experienced offline before. For example: The web scroll is a direct skeuomorphic rip-off of physical scrolls from back in the day! In fact between paginated page-flips of modern physical books and scrollbooks or yesteryears, scrolling is probably the older of the two technologies. Then we have paper-like pages in MS Word or Google Docs with page-breaks in them! The mobile dial-pad is a cute skeuomorphic rip-off of physical buttoned dial-pads on phones. iWatch/digital watches still do good with clock needles the way physical ones always did. Button, shadow, gradients, flat buttons, round buttons, corner elements, form design and pretty much everything in "good design" are all grounded on, in principle, skeuomorphism. Hell, we even copied the scrolling momentum! It's a fact: any ego-strut or marketing-speak from anybody in software that says some "design" is original and not skeuomorphic is simply selling bullshit.

marco1 10y ago
Thanks for this short excursus, but "not skeuomorphic" has never been marketing speak here. Instead, it has been added only to disassociate from a HTML/CSS imitation of paper (the material) by itself, which quite a few people have been expecting, given the (improvable) title of this project.
- throwawayIndian 10y ago
  > Instead, it has been added only to disassociate from a HTML/CSS imitation of paper (the material) by itself Assuming that digital screens cannot truly be produced using cellulose and starch (the material) the dissociation and difference in the nature of medium is understood. And then the "software part" has absolutely no role to play in that dissociation. You can't evade the fact that it is just marketing-speak at every level. I am pretty sure that the dev community likes to believe otherwise, and hence the downvotes, but that's just lame groupthink anyway.
  - niftich 10y ago
    FWIW, I understood it as "we didn't use a background 'texture' that visually resembles a piece of looseleaf paper", and I rather welcomed that particular visual design choice.
    - marco1 10y ago
      That's exactly what it was meant to express. Thanks!
    - throwawayIndian 10y ago
      https://delight-im.github.io/HTML-Sheets-of-Paper/ https://delight-im.github.io/HTML-Sheets-of-Paper/ Except that it does resemble a plain A4 loose sheet of paper -skeuomorphically! :)

marco1 10y ago

Thanks for this short excursus, but "not skeuomorphic" has never been marketing speak here. Instead, it has been added only to disassociate from a HTML/CSS imitation of paper (the material) by itself, which quite a few people have been expecting, given the (improvable) title of this project.

throwawayIndian 10y ago
> Instead, it has been added only to disassociate from a HTML/CSS imitation of paper (the material) by itself Assuming that digital screens cannot truly be produced using cellulose and starch (the material) the dissociation and difference in the nature of medium is understood. And then the "software part" has absolutely no role to play in that dissociation. You can't evade the fact that it is just marketing-speak at every level. I am pretty sure that the dev community likes to believe otherwise, and hence the downvotes, but that's just lame groupthink anyway.
- niftich 10y ago
  FWIW, I understood it as "we didn't use a background 'texture' that visually resembles a piece of looseleaf paper", and I rather welcomed that particular visual design choice.
  - marco1 10y ago
    That's exactly what it was meant to express. Thanks!
  - throwawayIndian 10y ago
    https://delight-im.github.io/HTML-Sheets-of-Paper/ https://delight-im.github.io/HTML-Sheets-of-Paper/ Except that it does resemble a plain A4 loose sheet of paper -skeuomorphically! :)