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>No skeuomorphic paper But isn't it skeumorphic to have pages based off of real paper sizes?

by kevinwang 10y ago

nathancahill 10y ago
No, that's just good design. The use-case seems to be for printed documents.
- throwawayIndian 10y ago
  Good design? No, it's just marketing-speak. Good design is one where a user doesn't lose focus from the task they had on their mind -- be it in physical realm or software. In fact for this reason alone there is no well-designed software in the world, anywhere, that doesn't rely on skeuomorphism at its core.
- justinlardinois 10y ago
  This comment implies that skeuomorphism and good design are mutually exclusive.
  - nathancahill 10y ago
    Excuse me, sir, can I introduce you to our lord and saviour Jony Ive?
    - throwawayIndian 10y ago
      So you think Apple's design are away from skeuomorphism? In case you do, you're very wrong and probably don't understand what skeuomorphism is.
- kevinwang 10y ago
  I guess my confusion is just: are we saying that white rectangles with the dimensions of paper are not skeumorphisms of paper? What, then, would skeumorphic paper be?
  - marco1 10y ago
    Sorry for the confusion! This was actually only added to underline that there's nothing like [1] in this project. Will improve the README. [1] https://www.google.de/search?q=paper+texture&tbm=isch https://www.google.de/search?q=paper+texture&tbm=isch
throwawayIndian 10y ago
Yes, more or less! It's quite hilarious to see how a certain class of developers think (or portray) that something is skeuomorphic, and therefore, undesirable, when in fact there is nothing (zilch!) in software that is not stemmed on skeumorphic thinking. Starting from Object Oriented Programming to visual design, everything in software is a skeuomorphic inspiration of what we have experienced offline before. For example: The web scroll is a direct skeuomorphic rip-off of physical scrolls from back in the day! In fact between paginated page-flips of modern physical books and scrollbooks or yesteryears, scrolling is probably the older of the two technologies. Then we have paper-like pages in MS Word or Google Docs with page-breaks in them! The mobile dial-pad is a cute skeuomorphic rip-off of physical buttoned dial-pads on phones. iWatch/digital watches still do good with clock needles the way physical ones always did. Button, shadow, gradients, flat buttons, round buttons, corner elements, form design and pretty much everything in "good design" are all grounded on, in principle, skeuomorphism. Hell, we even copied the scrolling momentum! It's a fact: any ego-strut or marketing-speak from anybody in software that says some "design" is original and not skeuomorphic is simply selling bullshit.
- marco1 10y ago
  Thanks for this short excursus, but "not skeuomorphic" has never been marketing speak here. Instead, it has been added only to disassociate from a HTML/CSS imitation of paper (the material) by itself, which quite a few people have been expecting, given the (improvable) title of this project.
  - throwawayIndian 10y ago
    > Instead, it has been added only to disassociate from a HTML/CSS imitation of paper (the material) by itself Assuming that digital screens cannot truly be produced using cellulose and starch (the material) the dissociation and difference in the nature of medium is understood. And then the "software part" has absolutely no role to play in that dissociation. You can't evade the fact that it is just marketing-speak at every level. I am pretty sure that the dev community likes to believe otherwise, and hence the downvotes, but that's just lame groupthink anyway.

>No skeuomorphic paper But isn't it skeumorphic to have pages based off of real paper sizes?

nathancahill 10y ago

No, that's just good design. The use-case seems to be for printed documents.

throwawayIndian 10y ago
Good design? No, it's just marketing-speak. Good design is one where a user doesn't lose focus from the task they had on their mind -- be it in physical realm or software. In fact for this reason alone there is no well-designed software in the world, anywhere, that doesn't rely on skeuomorphism at its core.
justinlardinois 10y ago
This comment implies that skeuomorphism and good design are mutually exclusive.
- nathancahill 10y ago
  Excuse me, sir, can I introduce you to our lord and saviour Jony Ive?
  - throwawayIndian 10y ago
    So you think Apple's design are away from skeuomorphism? In case you do, you're very wrong and probably don't understand what skeuomorphism is.
kevinwang 10y ago
I guess my confusion is just: are we saying that white rectangles with the dimensions of paper are not skeumorphisms of paper? What, then, would skeumorphic paper be?
- marco1 10y ago
  Sorry for the confusion! This was actually only added to underline that there's nothing like [1] in this project. Will improve the README. [1] https://www.google.de/search?q=paper+texture&tbm=isch https://www.google.de/search?q=paper+texture&tbm=isch

throwawayIndian 10y ago

Yes, more or less! It's quite hilarious to see how a certain class of developers think (or portray) that something is skeuomorphic, and therefore, undesirable, when in fact there is nothing (zilch!) in software that is not stemmed on skeumorphic thinking. Starting from Object Oriented Programming to visual design, everything in software is a skeuomorphic inspiration of what we have experienced offline before. For example: The web scroll is a direct skeuomorphic rip-off of physical scrolls from back in the day! In fact between paginated page-flips of modern physical books and scrollbooks or yesteryears, scrolling is probably the older of the two technologies. Then we have paper-like pages in MS Word or Google Docs with page-breaks in them! The mobile dial-pad is a cute skeuomorphic rip-off of physical buttoned dial-pads on phones. iWatch/digital watches still do good with clock needles the way physical ones always did. Button, shadow, gradients, flat buttons, round buttons, corner elements, form design and pretty much everything in "good design" are all grounded on, in principle, skeuomorphism. Hell, we even copied the scrolling momentum! It's a fact: any ego-strut or marketing-speak from anybody in software that says some "design" is original and not skeuomorphic is simply selling bullshit.

marco1 10y ago
Thanks for this short excursus, but "not skeuomorphic" has never been marketing speak here. Instead, it has been added only to disassociate from a HTML/CSS imitation of paper (the material) by itself, which quite a few people have been expecting, given the (improvable) title of this project.
- throwawayIndian 10y ago
  > Instead, it has been added only to disassociate from a HTML/CSS imitation of paper (the material) by itself Assuming that digital screens cannot truly be produced using cellulose and starch (the material) the dissociation and difference in the nature of medium is understood. And then the "software part" has absolutely no role to play in that dissociation. You can't evade the fact that it is just marketing-speak at every level. I am pretty sure that the dev community likes to believe otherwise, and hence the downvotes, but that's just lame groupthink anyway.