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Why not just use Clojure? You've got datomic on the server and datascript on the client, transit on the wire, reader conditionals to share code and much more.

Why not just use Clojure? You've got datomic on the server and datascript on the client, transit on the wire, reader conditionals to share code and much more. Plus everything can be modified as its running. When it comes to web frameworks I don't really care about performance as much as I care about managing complexity. Which is why I'm looking at om.next over all the other frameworks. And managing complexity is not something you can benchmark in toy projects - every single framework is virtually the same at such a small scale.

Roboprog 10y ago
Or just use Javascript as-is, with perhaps Node.js or Nashorn on the back end. But I actually like Javascript.
- Roboprog 10y ago
  And not so much care for the transpiler hoop jumping routine.
asciihacker 10y ago
> Why not just use Clojure? I guess as a professional Python developer, it would take some time to get used to all the parentheses. I've used Emacs for 20+ years, but outside of elisp I've never been comfortable with s-exprs. I had never heard of om.next. I think this is what you mean: https://github.com/omcljs/om https://github.com/omcljs/om ?? correct? > And managing complexity is not something you can benchmark in toy projects - every single framework is virtually the same at such a small scale. Well, looking at how much garbage was needed to implement todomvc in Backbone kept me from considering it any further :)
- throwanem 10y ago
  > looking at how much garbage was needed to implement todomvc in Backbone kept me from considering it any further And in this you were wise! Or at the very least fortunate.
premium-concern 10y ago
Clojure doesn't even have types. I think the languages aren't really comparable from a maturity and support pov. Clojure is mainly done by hobbyists and enthusiasts. There is a large gap in terms of tooling that can't be closed in a few years.
jmite 10y ago
I like my types, without runtime overhead of type checks

Roboprog 10y ago

Or just use Javascript as-is, with perhaps Node.js or Nashorn on the back end. But I actually like Javascript.

Roboprog 10y ago
And not so much care for the transpiler hoop jumping routine.

asciihacker 10y ago

> Why not just use Clojure? I guess as a professional Python developer, it would take some time to get used to all the parentheses. I've used Emacs for 20+ years, but outside of elisp I've never been comfortable with s-exprs. I had never heard of om.next. I think this is what you mean: https://github.com/omcljs/om https://github.com/omcljs/om ?? correct? > And managing complexity is not something you can benchmark in toy projects - every single framework is virtually the same at such a small scale. Well, looking at how much garbage was needed to implement todomvc in Backbone kept me from considering it any further :)

throwanem 10y ago
> looking at how much garbage was needed to implement todomvc in Backbone kept me from considering it any further And in this you were wise! Or at the very least fortunate.

premium-concern 10y ago

Clojure doesn't even have types. I think the languages aren't really comparable from a maturity and support pov. Clojure is mainly done by hobbyists and enthusiasts. There is a large gap in terms of tooling that can't be closed in a few years.

jmite 10y ago

I like my types, without runtime overhead of type checks