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"Putin fan" is not a term I would use to describe myself or anyone who is seriously analyzing the situation from a rational unbiased perspective. Nor would I us

"Putin fan" is not a term I would use to describe myself or anyone who is seriously analyzing the situation from a rational unbiased perspective. Nor would I use "tit-for-tat," "backstab," and "archenemy" to describe the events that have transpired. It makes it hard to discuss/analyze history with someone who is assessing the situation in those comic book terms with a clear anti-Russian bias. My intention was not to defend Russia but simply to give evidence on the complexity of events in Ukraine and the multiple actors involved. Personally I find this complexity extremely interesting. Is there a specific point you want to get across? Your dramatic retelling of the events in Ukraine is entertaining and I encourage you to adapt it into a screenplay and sell it to Hollywood. Aside from that I'm not quite sure what your specific point is.

varjag 10y ago
> "Putin fan" is not a term I would use to describe myself or anyone who is seriously analyzing the situation from a rational unbiased perspective. You certainly wouldn't use it as you rightly perceive general hostility to Putin fans over here. I'm not sure what your propaganda fix is. Your casting me as an unsophisticated American, despite my blindingly obvious Russian reference username suggests you are a 2nd gen immigrant, so it's prolly RT. But it's certain you like to think that your opinion is not formed by propaganda in one bit, and you rather arrived to it independently (even if down to same exact talking points) at a bidding of your intellect. I won't even bother you asking the shebboleth of "чей Крым", as I certainly know the kind of "it's complicated" Putin-fan-in-a-hostile-environment answer it would entail. If it walks like a duck, looks like a duck, and quacks like a duck...
- saynsedit 10y ago
  The narrative you have invented for yourself to understand me with limited information is fascinating. You have a gift for storytelling! You should really start writing fiction. Not kidding at all. I loved Rainbow Six. Actually Clancy in general. It's just fun stuff to read. Throwing in Cyrillic makes it exciting. As for my propaganda fix, that's kind of unfair. I mean... What's your propaganda fix? Why are you so intent on labeling me? I'm a human with a brain like you dude... we're brothers on this planet. I read Wikipedia for the most part, read the Times, the Post. I monitor CNN and BBC, also Fox News from time to time. Lots of others less so, e.g. Vox, The Guardian, Slate, The Atlantic, Vice. I actually don't watch RT much at all outside of randomly linked YT clips, I'm not even totally sure what they air... You? Back to the topic at hand, what exactly was your point w.r.t. to the Ukraine situation? Do you disagree that it's a complicated geopolitical issue with multiple stake-holding actors?
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- saynsedit 10y ago
  BTW Your conspiracy theory that I'm a low-key "Putin fan" reminds me of medieval witch hunting. Honestly, HN really isn't a hostile environment to be a "Putin fan," but you know what is? Ukraine! rim-shot It's sad that, in these modern, presumably more civilized, times, one can't offer a more complex analysis of world events without being labeled a "Putin fan" or being accused of being brainwashed by Russian propaganda. What a time to be alive! Let me renounce the devil for you and calm your paranoid anxieties. I am not a "Putin fan." Putin sux0rZ! Feel better? Can you not burn me at the stake now?

varjag 10y ago

> "Putin fan" is not a term I would use to describe myself or anyone who is seriously analyzing the situation from a rational unbiased perspective. You certainly wouldn't use it as you rightly perceive general hostility to Putin fans over here. I'm not sure what your propaganda fix is. Your casting me as an unsophisticated American, despite my blindingly obvious Russian reference username suggests you are a 2nd gen immigrant, so it's prolly RT. But it's certain you like to think that your opinion is not formed by propaganda in one bit, and you rather arrived to it independently (even if down to same exact talking points) at a bidding of your intellect. I won't even bother you asking the shebboleth of "чей Крым", as I certainly know the kind of "it's complicated" Putin-fan-in-a-hostile-environment answer it would entail. If it walks like a duck, looks like a duck, and quacks like a duck...

saynsedit 10y ago
The narrative you have invented for yourself to understand me with limited information is fascinating. You have a gift for storytelling! You should really start writing fiction. Not kidding at all. I loved Rainbow Six. Actually Clancy in general. It's just fun stuff to read. Throwing in Cyrillic makes it exciting. As for my propaganda fix, that's kind of unfair. I mean... What's your propaganda fix? Why are you so intent on labeling me? I'm a human with a brain like you dude... we're brothers on this planet. I read Wikipedia for the most part, read the Times, the Post. I monitor CNN and BBC, also Fox News from time to time. Lots of others less so, e.g. Vox, The Guardian, Slate, The Atlantic, Vice. I actually don't watch RT much at all outside of randomly linked YT clips, I'm not even totally sure what they air... You? Back to the topic at hand, what exactly was your point w.r.t. to the Ukraine situation? Do you disagree that it's a complicated geopolitical issue with multiple stake-holding actors?
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saynsedit 10y ago
BTW Your conspiracy theory that I'm a low-key "Putin fan" reminds me of medieval witch hunting. Honestly, HN really isn't a hostile environment to be a "Putin fan," but you know what is? Ukraine! rim-shot It's sad that, in these modern, presumably more civilized, times, one can't offer a more complex analysis of world events without being labeled a "Putin fan" or being accused of being brainwashed by Russian propaganda. What a time to be alive! Let me renounce the devil for you and calm your paranoid anxieties. I am not a "Putin fan." Putin sux0rZ! Feel better? Can you not burn me at the stake now?