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8.5Mb is a little too much for editor named micro. Whole DD-WRT/OpenWRT Linux Image is twice smaller.

by adontz 10y ago

anilgulecha 10y ago
I think the name is a play on the other popular editor 'nano'.
- JadeNB 10y ago
  Allowing it a comfortable 1000-fold growth factor! :-)
throwaway0209 10y ago
The compressed binary is only ~2.6mb.... Whereas nano is only 141k on my system uncompressed.
bpizzi 10y ago
That's because Go hasn't been historically very good at keeping binaries small. However things are starting to get better: https://blog.golang.org/go1.7-binary-size https://blog.golang.org/go1.7-binary-size.
kseistrup 10y ago
The binary is unstripped. Strip it, and it loses ~3 MB.
- f2f 10y ago
  also statically linked, at least on osx.
  - kseistrup 10y ago
    And on x86_64 and ARM.
  - mrswag 10y ago
    All go binaries are statically linked. It's supposed to be one of the selling points of the language.
    - cstrahan 10y ago
      Go packages are statically linked into Go executables, yes. That doesn't mean that C libraries are, though -- and I think it's that level of static linkage that the parent meant. If you're on macOS, try running $ otool -L some-go-program, or on linux: $ ldd ./team-service linux-vdso.so.1 (0x00007ffe492af000) libpthread.so.0 => /nix/store/9xsjqbsldr86vvs7p5ps4qlkjv9dhc0k-glibc-2.23/lib/libpthread.so.0 (0x00007f47ef267000) libssl.so.1.0.0 => /nix/store/v9mq9iv2sg017r7i0fpw8qlifvlpvlks-openssl-1.0.2h/lib/libssl.so.1.0.0 (0x00007f47eeff6000) libcrypto.so.1.0.0 => /nix/store/v9mq9iv2sg017r7i0fpw8qlifvlpvlks-openssl-1.0.2h/lib/libcrypto.so.1.0.0 (0x00007f47eeba4000) libc.so.6 => /nix/store/9xsjqbsldr86vvs7p5ps4qlkjv9dhc0k-glibc-2.23/lib/libc.so.6 (0x00007f47ee803000) /nix/store/9xsjqbsldr86vvs7p5ps4qlkjv9dhc0k-glibc-2.23/lib/ld-linux-x86-64.so.2 (0x00007f47ef484000) libdl.so.2 => /nix/store/9xsjqbsldr86vvs7p5ps4qlkjv9dhc0k-glibc-2.23/lib/libdl.so.2 (0x00007f47ee5ff000)
    - flukus 10y ago
      So go libraries can't be GPL'd?
falcolas 10y ago
Relative to: Atom, VS, Sublime Text, the mac Notes app, and modern hard drive sizes - it's pretty small. No, it's not as small as Nano, but I have a hard time getting my hackles up over a single binary I can download in under a second.
- Tloewald 10y ago
  The Notes app executable is 2.4MB uncompressed and Notes handles a whole bunch of stuff this thing doesn't. Sublime is 12.5MB.
aruggirello 10y ago
For a comparison, my /usr/share/atom folder is >200Mb - just the main Atom executable alone is over 54Mb.
ChuckMcM 10y ago
And kilo[1] is 28k but it doesn't have as many features. Also a "keyboard" vs "keystroke" editor, editors built before ginormous keyboards became ubiquitous use various keystrokes for commands, ones that came to exist in an assumed presence of a ginormous keyboard use special keys for commands. (example, if the only way to move the cursor up in your editor is the cursor up arrow key, you are a "keyboard" based editor. Not that either choice is better or worse just something I find an interesting distinction. [1] https://github.com/antirez/kilo https://github.com/antirez/kilo
- SamReidHughes 10y ago
  That's weird, I didn't know keyboards used to be smaller. I assumed they started with the space cadet and kept shrinking.
  - ChuckMcM 10y ago
    You are right, that isn't the correct analysis. Initial programming editors like EMACS, vi, EDIT, TECO, FINE, SOS, and KED tended to keep cursor motion and edit commands bound to key combinations that would be available on most (if not all) terminals. This minimized the use of "special function" keys, even if they were there, because they weren't there for all terminals. So the working set of keys was smaller even though the keyboards themselves were of nominally average size. My observation was around the use of the PC's special keys used in "generic" editors because the authors of those editors have chosen to assume that everyone it typing on a keyboard that matches, or emulates, the 101 or 108 key keyboard that the PC made standard.
integrii 10y ago
Leave it to HN to complain about an 8Mb go binary.

8.5Mb is a little too much for editor named micro. Whole DD-WRT/OpenWRT Linux Image is twice smaller.

by adontz 10y ago

8.5Mb is a little too much for editor named micro. Whole DD-WRT/OpenWRT Linux Image is twice smaller.

anilgulecha 10y ago

I think the name is a play on the other popular editor 'nano'.

JadeNB 10y ago
Allowing it a comfortable 1000-fold growth factor! :-)

throwaway0209 10y ago

The compressed binary is only ~2.6mb.... Whereas nano is only 141k on my system uncompressed.

bpizzi 10y ago

That's because Go hasn't been historically very good at keeping binaries small. However things are starting to get better: https://blog.golang.org/go1.7-binary-size https://blog.golang.org/go1.7-binary-size.

kseistrup 10y ago

The binary is unstripped. Strip it, and it loses ~3 MB.

f2f 10y ago
also statically linked, at least on osx.
- kseistrup 10y ago
  And on x86_64 and ARM.
- mrswag 10y ago
  All go binaries are statically linked. It's supposed to be one of the selling points of the language.
  - cstrahan 10y ago
    Go packages are statically linked into Go executables, yes. That doesn't mean that C libraries are, though -- and I think it's that level of static linkage that the parent meant. If you're on macOS, try running $ otool -L some-go-program, or on linux: $ ldd ./team-service linux-vdso.so.1 (0x00007ffe492af000) libpthread.so.0 => /nix/store/9xsjqbsldr86vvs7p5ps4qlkjv9dhc0k-glibc-2.23/lib/libpthread.so.0 (0x00007f47ef267000) libssl.so.1.0.0 => /nix/store/v9mq9iv2sg017r7i0fpw8qlifvlpvlks-openssl-1.0.2h/lib/libssl.so.1.0.0 (0x00007f47eeff6000) libcrypto.so.1.0.0 => /nix/store/v9mq9iv2sg017r7i0fpw8qlifvlpvlks-openssl-1.0.2h/lib/libcrypto.so.1.0.0 (0x00007f47eeba4000) libc.so.6 => /nix/store/9xsjqbsldr86vvs7p5ps4qlkjv9dhc0k-glibc-2.23/lib/libc.so.6 (0x00007f47ee803000) /nix/store/9xsjqbsldr86vvs7p5ps4qlkjv9dhc0k-glibc-2.23/lib/ld-linux-x86-64.so.2 (0x00007f47ef484000) libdl.so.2 => /nix/store/9xsjqbsldr86vvs7p5ps4qlkjv9dhc0k-glibc-2.23/lib/libdl.so.2 (0x00007f47ee5ff000)
  - flukus 10y ago
    So go libraries can't be GPL'd?

falcolas 10y ago

Relative to: Atom, VS, Sublime Text, the mac Notes app, and modern hard drive sizes - it's pretty small. No, it's not as small as Nano, but I have a hard time getting my hackles up over a single binary I can download in under a second.

Tloewald 10y ago
The Notes app executable is 2.4MB uncompressed and Notes handles a whole bunch of stuff this thing doesn't. Sublime is 12.5MB.

aruggirello 10y ago

For a comparison, my /usr/share/atom folder is >200Mb - just the main Atom executable alone is over 54Mb.

ChuckMcM 10y ago

And kilo[1] is 28k but it doesn't have as many features. Also a "keyboard" vs "keystroke" editor, editors built before ginormous keyboards became ubiquitous use various keystrokes for commands, ones that came to exist in an assumed presence of a ginormous keyboard use special keys for commands. (example, if the only way to move the cursor up in your editor is the cursor up arrow key, you are a "keyboard" based editor. Not that either choice is better or worse just something I find an interesting distinction. [1] https://github.com/antirez/kilo https://github.com/antirez/kilo

SamReidHughes 10y ago
That's weird, I didn't know keyboards used to be smaller. I assumed they started with the space cadet and kept shrinking.
- ChuckMcM 10y ago
  You are right, that isn't the correct analysis. Initial programming editors like EMACS, vi, EDIT, TECO, FINE, SOS, and KED tended to keep cursor motion and edit commands bound to key combinations that would be available on most (if not all) terminals. This minimized the use of "special function" keys, even if they were there, because they weren't there for all terminals. So the working set of keys was smaller even though the keyboards themselves were of nominally average size. My observation was around the use of the PC's special keys used in "generic" editors because the authors of those editors have chosen to assume that everyone it typing on a keyboard that matches, or emulates, the 101 or 108 key keyboard that the PC made standard.

integrii 10y ago

Leave it to HN to complain about an 8Mb go binary.