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This whole premise of this story has me wearing a tin foil hat. [tldr]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ILQepXUhJ98[/tldr] https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ILQepXU
by mSparks 10y ago
This whole premise of this story has me wearing a tin foil hat.
[tldr]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ILQepXUhJ98[/tldr] https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ILQepXUhJ98[/tldr]
Soooo many questions. so few answers.
I'll start with my immediate thoughts.
High dropouts are not absolutely a bad thing. In fact its pretty normal in all western schools that have zero focus on "how to learn". The "problem" is clearly earlier on in the education system, wherby students are reaching college age not knowing "how to learn", and suddenly finding its important.
Next up - the cost of learning/knowledge material.
I know of textbooks from the US being priced in the multi thousand dollar range (or simply not available for student purchase). "Teachers/Lecturers" aren't that important (I say that having graduated with a joint 1st from a top UK university having acquired a lot of warnings criticizing me for hardly ever attending lectures, but I wasn't skipping the material, I was skipping lecturers reading from textbooks).
All that said, I am left feeling these stories are more about attacking education that provides chances for the lower classes in the US to become middle and upper classes. Nothing about this ITT tech story addresses this one way or the other. Where are the employment stats for those who successfully graduate? Where are the interviews with graduates? I just see a ton of hyperbole he said she said. And whenever I come across that I automatically assume its a political power based decision, rather than a rational "good for everyone" one.
I know that all sounds a bit confused - that happens with "immediate thoughts". Its a first attempt at thinking about something we haven't really been allowed to think about.
Why am I thinking along these lines:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zDZFcDGpL4U https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zDZFcDGpL4U
Education was set up as a "production line" into large public institutions. But the politicians destroyed the "large public institutions", and education doesn't teach people to be their own institution.
"If you are interested in the model of learning you don't start from this production line mentality"
- ryuker16 10y agoEveryone prefers they look at community college which is super flexible, dirt cheap, and will accept anyone. There are also legit apprenticeship programs for trades. The for-profit schools have a decades long record of charging 10x community college rates, paying teaching staff poorly, and almost always having poor standards of education. If government loans were ineligible, most of these institutions would close over night instead of trying to continue with poor friendly community college rates.
- mSparks 10y ago->If government loans were ineligible, most of these institutions would close over night instead of trying to continue with poor friendly community college rates. Isn't that true of any education system based on tuition fees? So I found http://www.bankrate.com/finance/college-finance/myths-for-profit-schools.aspx#slide=4 http://www.bankrate.com/finance/college-finance/myths-for-pr... says: Relatively few recent high school grads attending school full time flock to the halls of for-profit schools. These schools typically cater to nontraditional students, including older students with full-time jobs, parents, military veterans, at-risk students and those who need flexible class scheduling. So is this really about "fixing" schooling, or just "fixing spending on people who don't deserve an education". Feels much more like the later than the former.