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It's a great sadness to me that many children have grown, and will grow, up with the perception that the vastly inferior Tim Burton remake is the definitive ver

It's a great sadness to me that many children have grown, and will grow, up with the perception that the vastly inferior Tim Burton remake is the definitive version. The film starring Wilder should be included on future releases of the former as a public service.

ralusek 10y ago
I'll save you of this sadness with the assurance that absolutely nobody, young or old, thinks of Tim Burton's remake as the definitive version.
jgamman 10y ago
We love it but TBH with a young 'un we skip to the GW scene described and I try to skip the boat ride. Seriously, beheading a chicken in a children's film is a dark dark choice...
- gohrt 10y ago
  The world has darkness, and seeing some of it helps a child understand the world they live in.
  - gameofdrones 10y ago
    Or end up with universities with safe-spaces, trigger-warnings and thin-skinned cowards.
    - cholantesh 10y ago
      Nah
    - Jaruzel 10y ago
      Thankfully that craziness is starting to be unwound: http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2016/08/25/university-of-chicago-rejects-safe-spaces-and-trigger-warnings-i/ http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2016/08/25/university-of-chi...
      - cholantesh 10y ago
        Given that Piper presides over a massive safe space of his own, it's a bit rich to hear him complaining about them.
  - grovulent 10y ago
    Yeah - the trade off between this lesson and being woken up late at night because nightmares...
    - Rapzid 10y ago
      Never had nightmares from this. Now, Tremors and Terminator were another story :) Still, I've had way more nightmares rooted in real life situations than anything else. When I was 3-4 we had a bulldozer and steam shovel out to replace our septic tank. For YEARS, maybe even into early adulthood, but with less and less frequency I had the dream where the bulldozer was chasing me to the deck and it felt like I was running through quicksand.
dkonofalski 10y ago
I never understood this. The Tim Burton version of the film isn't a remake of this one. It's a direct adaptation of the book and is vastly more faithful to the source material than the GW version of the movie. Why people continue to compare them as if they're the same thing is weird to me. I enjoyed both almost equally but for entirely different reasons. Why others can't is beyond me...
- simplexion 10y ago
  How is it more faithful to the book? I also really like both of the films but I don't see how either is more or less faithful to the book.
  - jmcgough 10y ago
    It shares the same name, and some scenes are more faithful - like the squirrel room, which became a room full of geese in the original film.
    - memsom 10y ago
      But in the Burton film, ultimately, it's a story about Wonka reconnecting with his estranged father, explaining all of his weirdness and childlike behaviour as being somehow related to this event. Charlie is a second runner in that respect from the moment Wonka enters the screen. My other issue is that Depp is insufferable, irritating and took the "child-like" description to an extreme. I dislike the Burton version more than I dislike the Hitchhikers film... which is to say, a lot. Both took a well trodden and loved story and changed it in a way that seems to add nothing to the narrative. The Hitchhikers film[1] fell back on the "but Douglas Adams never told the story the same twice in any medium" as an excuse. I don't believe Burton had that one to fall back on. Especially as Dahl felt Willy Wonka and the Chocolate Factory didn't capture his vision for the movie[2]. [1] http://www.therobotsvoice.com/2011/05/the_15_worst_things_about_the_hitchhikers_guide_to.php http://www.therobotsvoice.com/2011/05/the_15_worst_things_ab... [2] https://uk.movies.yahoo.com/why-roald-dahl-hated-willy-wonka-and-the-chocolate-120115179.html https://uk.movies.yahoo.com/why-roald-dahl-hated-willy-wonka...
13of40 10y ago
I grew up squarely in between the two, and I can assure you that the book is the definitive version.
jondiggsit 10y ago
No one will ever think that
jondiggsit 10y ago
No one will ever think that

ralusek 10y ago

I'll save you of this sadness with the assurance that absolutely nobody, young or old, thinks of Tim Burton's remake as the definitive version.

jgamman 10y ago

We love it but TBH with a young 'un we skip to the GW scene described and I try to skip the boat ride. Seriously, beheading a chicken in a children's film is a dark dark choice...

gohrt 10y ago
The world has darkness, and seeing some of it helps a child understand the world they live in.
- gameofdrones 10y ago
  Or end up with universities with safe-spaces, trigger-warnings and thin-skinned cowards.
  - cholantesh 10y ago
    Nah
  - Jaruzel 10y ago
    Thankfully that craziness is starting to be unwound: http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2016/08/25/university-of-chicago-rejects-safe-spaces-and-trigger-warnings-i/ http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2016/08/25/university-of-chi...
    - cholantesh 10y ago
      Given that Piper presides over a massive safe space of his own, it's a bit rich to hear him complaining about them.
- grovulent 10y ago
  Yeah - the trade off between this lesson and being woken up late at night because nightmares...
  - Rapzid 10y ago
    Never had nightmares from this. Now, Tremors and Terminator were another story :) Still, I've had way more nightmares rooted in real life situations than anything else. When I was 3-4 we had a bulldozer and steam shovel out to replace our septic tank. For YEARS, maybe even into early adulthood, but with less and less frequency I had the dream where the bulldozer was chasing me to the deck and it felt like I was running through quicksand.

dkonofalski 10y ago

I never understood this. The Tim Burton version of the film isn't a remake of this one. It's a direct adaptation of the book and is vastly more faithful to the source material than the GW version of the movie. Why people continue to compare them as if they're the same thing is weird to me. I enjoyed both almost equally but for entirely different reasons. Why others can't is beyond me...

simplexion 10y ago
How is it more faithful to the book? I also really like both of the films but I don't see how either is more or less faithful to the book.
- jmcgough 10y ago
  It shares the same name, and some scenes are more faithful - like the squirrel room, which became a room full of geese in the original film.
  - memsom 10y ago
    But in the Burton film, ultimately, it's a story about Wonka reconnecting with his estranged father, explaining all of his weirdness and childlike behaviour as being somehow related to this event. Charlie is a second runner in that respect from the moment Wonka enters the screen. My other issue is that Depp is insufferable, irritating and took the "child-like" description to an extreme. I dislike the Burton version more than I dislike the Hitchhikers film... which is to say, a lot. Both took a well trodden and loved story and changed it in a way that seems to add nothing to the narrative. The Hitchhikers film[1] fell back on the "but Douglas Adams never told the story the same twice in any medium" as an excuse. I don't believe Burton had that one to fall back on. Especially as Dahl felt Willy Wonka and the Chocolate Factory didn't capture his vision for the movie[2]. [1] http://www.therobotsvoice.com/2011/05/the_15_worst_things_about_the_hitchhikers_guide_to.php http://www.therobotsvoice.com/2011/05/the_15_worst_things_ab... [2] https://uk.movies.yahoo.com/why-roald-dahl-hated-willy-wonka-and-the-chocolate-120115179.html https://uk.movies.yahoo.com/why-roald-dahl-hated-willy-wonka...

13of40 10y ago

I grew up squarely in between the two, and I can assure you that the book is the definitive version.

jondiggsit 10y ago

No one will ever think that

jondiggsit 10y ago

No one will ever think that